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Women preachers

Postby Jannie » 15 Aug 2009, 21:57

This is a fairly long article, but a good one.
We live in a modern age when women have moved into the work force. They cut their hair and wear jeans. They leave their children to be raised by others. Our families are falling apart.
This is a look back at why we are here. Written in 1879, it only gets better as you move along, so please take the time to read the whole thing. It's worth the read.

Women Preachers
(The Public Preaching of Women)

October, 1879

by
Robert Lewis Dabney
(1820-1898)

In this day we find a rapid advancement of new ideas. The unbelievable suggestion of yesterday, entertained only by a few fanatics, and only mentioned by the conservatives to be ridiculed, is today the bold reform, and tomorrow will be the accepted practice. Novelties are so numerous and so wild and rash, that in even conservative minds the feeling of wonder is exhausted and the instinct of righteous resistance fatigued. A few years ago the preaching by women was universally condemned among all conservative denominations of Christians. Now the idea is being presented to the churches, and female preachers are knocking at our doors. We are already told that public opinion is being swayed because of the boldness and reasonableness of the claims of these woman preachers, that even our own ministers are hesitant to speak out against the movement. These remarks show that a discussion of woman's proper place in the Christian Church is greatly needed.




http://www.biblebb.com/files/RD-001WP.htm
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Re: Women preachers

Postby Jeani » 15 Aug 2009, 23:44

Jannie,

I thought that was sooo funny you brought this topic here.

I lost my Christian witness with several of the guys stating how I feel which I' m sure you recall~ :hehehe

One of the 'signs' of the Last Days is 'homosexuals and women preachers.'

Women preachers goes against sooo many scriptures within the Bible.

This is where I made my blunder of saying a female for a male trying to address his post~ :lamo

Leave it up to me!

I'm sooo sick of seeing sooo many young women on Fox News stating: this is what is happening.

College cannot replace wisdom.

Women cannot replace men~

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Re: Women preachers

Postby Carmela » 16 Aug 2009, 06:12

I got a good laugh from this, too. On PNW I stayed completely out of that thread but will gladly add to it here. Speaking of the young "ladies" on Fox News, they'd be better off wearing jeans so that we wouldn't have to be exposed to their "nether regions"! One morning they were teasing Gretchen about wearing a diaper (funny in the context). I wrote in and said that Gretchen certainly was NOT wearing a diaper because if she were, we'd be able to see it! Got no reply, of course. . .never do. I'm always writing them complaining about the ED ads before 7 in the morning!
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Re: Women preachers

Postby Carmela » 16 Aug 2009, 06:24

"They cut their hair and wear jeans." If I couldn't have my short hair and jeans, I would not be a happy camper!! But I do understand the reasoning and totally agree that women have been dislodged from their proper role. . but then, so have men! It's all part of the plan to destroy the family unit and it started a long time ago. I was raised on Father Knows Best, Ozzie and Harriet, Leave It To Beaver, etc. Strong family and social values were taught to kids on TV back then. Now there's NOTHING decent on TV. .. . and that goes for the "Christian" networks as well. Kids today don't have a chance without the intervention of the Lord God Almighty. Even churches are failing them. Of course, I'm speaking in general terms here, but I know you get my drift.
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Re: Women preachers

Postby januarie » 16 Aug 2009, 07:08

Jeani wrote:
Women cannot replace men~


Jeani


No, but notice how God raises up women leaders when men fail?

(I don't mean women preachers though.)
Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,… (Ephesians 3:20)
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Re: Women preachers

Postby januarie » 16 Aug 2009, 07:15

Carmela wrote:Speaking of the young "ladies" on Fox News, they'd be better off wearing jeans so that we wouldn't have to be exposed to their "nether regions"! One morning they were teasing Gretchen about wearing a diaper (funny in the context). I wrote in and said that Gretchen certainly was NOT wearing a diaper because if she were, we'd be able to see it! Got no reply, of course. . .never do. I'm always writing them complaining about the ED ads before 7 in the morning!


I know what you're saying, even my husband comments about it! One morning I had to turn on Fox news because of too much cleavage. I was embarrassed for Gretchen. Now, all the women there are doing it.

The thing is, I am not a prude. I was a 60's hippy and liberal to the extreme. I've seen things that would shock my adult daughter (who isn't really living a Godly lifestyle herself). So prudishness has nothing to do with my disdain for women showing their female parts in public and has everything to do with modesty and self respect.
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Re: Women preachers

Postby Carmela » 16 Aug 2009, 11:18

"The thing is, I am not a prude. I was a 60's hippy and liberal to the extreme. I've seen things that would shock my adult daughter (who isn't really living a Godly lifestyle herself). So prudishness has nothing to do with my disdain for women showing their female parts in public and has everything to do with modesty and self respect"

Amen, Lynda. . .I know just where you're coming from. The clevage issue is becoming really bad with the young girls of today. These skimpy tank tops just don't do the job.
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Re: Women preachers

Postby Jannie » 16 Aug 2009, 21:36

LOL at Jeani and the thread on PNW.
They really only have one scripture to stand on..."neither Jew nor Greek, man nor woman", but that's our standing in the Lord...not the order in the assembly.
Everything else is a huge stretch, and they have to tread on so many other verses to do it. Women have wonderful areas of ministry in the body, but standing in the place of authority in the assembly is just plain wrong. You'll notice that once women take that position, homosexuals are quick to follow. They don't even need to leave their sin at the door.

What I really enjoyed about the article was if a woman preacher takes on the authority of an elder, she takes on the authority over everyone in the congregation...even the husbands of other women. Is there no danger there?

Carmela...I agree about the jeans. I live on a farm, and I'd be lost without mine.
It's sorta the symbol for the slide into dressing immodestly, and like you all mentioned, we can't get away from that, even in our news programs. :thudd
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Re: Women preachers

Postby Remnant » 16 Aug 2009, 21:50

Jannie, You said:
Women have wonderful areas of ministry in the body, but standing in the place of authority in the assembly is just plain wrong. You'll notice that once women take that position, homosexuals are quick to follow.


Amen! One of these type of churches is mentioned in Revelation. Thyatira is this type of churches and they are springing up every where.

Revelation 3:20-22
20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.

21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent.

22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.
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Re: Women preachers

Postby Jeani » 16 Aug 2009, 22:17

Now Frank, why didn't Jannie and me think of those scriptures?

When I was referring to the 'young women', I was referring to them having all of the 'wisdom' about what is happening to our country.

What has happened to our men?

Maybe these women have 'liberal college',but they don't have the wisdom that only an older generation might have.

Have you ever notice how many 'young' women are Obama's speakers for him,and his agenda?

Yes, some of the PNW were talking in circles,and I became confused on exactly what they truly believe.

The simplest teaching of God is that He created 'order' so why is that so hard to understand for some unless they don't know the Lord personally.

I've always said on this site that as a woman moderator that I am working underneath the leadership of a pastor or the Lord would allow me to be attack by Satan.

I have the protection under Frank's umbrella.

Once a woman steps out on her on, then she has no protection.

Frank brought out some good scriptures,and I thought it would be good to go over them again.

Jesus' major condemnation concerned that woman Jezebel, who claimed to be a prophetess and taught believers to take part in the sexual immorality that accompanied pagan religion and to eat food sacrificed to idols.

What was acceptable to that local society was abhorred by Christ.

Their departure from morality had gone on for some time.

The church in Thyatira may have first heard the gospel from Lydia, converted through Paul's ministry in Acts. 16:14-15.

Interestingly now a woman, a self-claimed 'prophetess' was influencing the church.

Her name Jezebel suggests that she was corrupting the Thyatira church much like "Ahab's wife Jezebel corrupted Israel in 1 Kings 16:31-33.

Christ promised sudden and immediate judgement, called her sin adultery and promised that all who followed her would suffer intensely.

He also promised, I will strike her children dead, meaning that suffering would extend also to her followers.

The judgment would be so dramatic that all the churches would know that Christ is the One who searches hearts and minds.

Now who's going back to PNW to post these scriptures we forgot.

I'm warn out trying to speak the Truth~
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Re: Women preachers

Postby Jannie » 16 Aug 2009, 22:50

I think it's like Frank said...why cast pearls before the swine?

I honestly don't think we could say anything on that thread that would not be dismissed out of hand. If they haven't heard what's been posted thus far, they won't hear, period. When Paul laid out how woman was made from man, and how Eve was the one deceived...that was discounted. To me, that says it all.

God won't bless what's out of His order....just as he wouldn't bless a marriage where the woman was the head. Someone has to make the final decision, and the Lord has given that responsibility to the husband. Too many "two-headed monsters" have been the cause of divorce. Women's lib has not been our friend.
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Re: Women preachers

Postby Jeani » 16 Aug 2009, 23:09

AMEN Jannie!
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Re: Women preachers

Postby Carmela » 17 Aug 2009, 07:28

Yes, AMEN, jannie!!
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