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by **Jeani** » 21 Apr 2010, 21:27

Why Pick 1948 To Begin The End Times?

Question: I know some have explained that the punishment for the sin of Israel and Judah (Ezekiel 4:5-6) was completed in 1948 when Israel was reborn. And too, some have said that in Math 24:32 the fig tree is the nation of Israel, but in Luke 21:29 the Lord also said to look at the fig tree and all other trees. How about the Balfour Declaration in 1917, would not this too be a good indication for the start of the fulfillment of the prophecy as mentioned in Ezekiel 36?

For sure you must be very familiar and have studied these and have selected the reborn of Israel as the starting date for the End times. Could you also share with us the reason of choosing the reborn as for the starting date for the end time? I have struggled with the selection of 1948 the year Israel was reborn as the starting date for the End Times for a long time. Basically, why must I choose the year Israel was reborn as a nation in the starting date for the End Times?

Answer. When Jesus was asked for the sign of the end of the age, He gave them the Abomination of Desolation, and warned those in Judea to run for the hills. (Matt. 24:15-16) This tells us the End Times couldn’t have begun before the nation was reborn and the Great Tribulation can’t begin until they have a Temple. Later He said that all would be fulfilled in the span of one lifetime (Matt. 24:34) which would all but disqualify 1917. Besides, there was no official Jewish homeland then. In my opinion, this narrows it down to 1948.
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by **Remnant** » 21 Apr 2010, 21:53

I believe according to scripture the end times began at the cross when sin was defeated and Satan could no longer hold sinners in captivity. Christ freed mankind from the penalty of sin but the presence of sin is still here. Mankind still has the same choice that Adam and Eve had: Believe and trust in God or believing Satan's lies and rejecting Jesus.

Mat. 13:40 states As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of this world.

The "end times" (which refers to the end of Satan's rule and the establishment of God's) began when Jesus laid down his life for mankind's benefit. It won't officially end until Christ has ruled and reigned on the Earth for 1,000 years. It is after the 1,000 year period that Satan is freed from the abyss for the last time to deceive mankind.

There will be a new heaven and a new earth where sin will no longer be present but that simply means the two worlds will be cleansed by fire not destroyed.

What stage of the "end times" are we in? We are nearing a period of time called the tribulation in which Satan will counterfeit the return of Christ and the world will worship the Antichrist. This could occur anytime between now and the year 2070 A.D. likely before this date and not likely after this date.

Jesus is getting ready to set up his earthly kingdom so the church will soon be called home to be judged for works and Israel will face a time of testing.

by **Carmela** » 22 Apr 2010, 06:23

I believe that the end times began at the cross also. The rebirth of Israel as a nation is just part of the end time scenario.

by **open door** » 02 May 2010, 16:20

I agree about the cross and the "end-times".

I would also like to comment on the parable of the fig tree in Matthew - the fig tree as we all know symbolizes the Nation of Israel; and Luke did mention it and "all trees". Scripture said the land would be desolate UNTIL the Jews returned. Grant Jeffrey pointed out that Mark Twain made a trip to Israel, I forgot the exact date, somewhere around 1870 or so, and he went from Jerusalem for about 40 miles, and saw one tree as I recall it. (At any rate, very, very few). In fact they have been planting trees in Israel for years now. So, yes, it all agrees. There are no contradictions in God's inerrant Word. The Jews have (are) returning home, and the desert is blooming, just as scripture said that it would.

The Bible proves that God works on a specific time-clock with Israel. Certain numbers are extremely important in scripture. God has operated with 490 year prophetic cycles with Israel since the birth of Abraham. He has also used 400 years in instances, as the number of years that Israel was under the Ottoman/Turk rule, from 1517 to 1917; which is the same time period from the beginning of the Protestant Reformation (1517) to the Balfour Declaration in 1917.

I consider it very important that the year 1517 began another 490 year cycle, which concluded in 2007.

No, I'm not date setting. But, Bible prophecy clearly shows that the signs for the tribulation period are upon us - it's His call when it begins, but from what He has revealed, He's at the door. There needs to be a sense of urgency in our witness.

by **Remnant** » 02 May 2010, 19:35

There needs to be a sense of urgency in our witness.open door

I agree and there is for most of us who worship the King. Go into the highways and byways and compell people to come to Him. Our witness should be in the Churches were most are lost, The Waffle houses, The homless shelters, the prisons and on and on. God does the saving and we just need to plant and water the seeds that are planted.

The urgency has always and should be every since the resurrection of our Lord! Yes! More now then ever, but we are kind of dollar short and a day late for some.

by **Jeani** » 02 May 2010, 20:11

Hey, the last time my husband and I 'witness for the Lord' was when we went to Silver Dollar in Branson last month...

This man was in his booth making bird houses,and he said something to 'spark me'.

Can't remember now exactly what,but he didn't have the 'blessed hope' for the Rapture.....

Boy, that gave me an opportunity to start preaching....

I told him to read Isaiah 17/Ps. 83 and Ez 38/39...and of course, I gave him many reasons why the Rapture before Tribulation.

He told us that he would be one of the ones martyr,and I told him not to worry...

The Lord is COMING FOR HIS CHURCH....

We might get to see him again in two more weeks as we are going back....

Nothing give you more happiness than 'witnessessing about our Lord and Savior.'

by **open door** » 03 May 2010, 00:39

Jeani wrote:Hey, the last time my husband and I 'witness for the Lord' was when we went to Silver Dollar in Branson last month...

This man was in his booth making bird houses,and he said something to 'spark me'.

Can't remember now exactly what,but he didn't have the 'blessed hope' for the Rapture.....

Boy, that gave me an opportunity to start preaching....

I told him to read Isaiah 17/Ps. 83 and Ez 38/39...and of course, I gave him many reasons why the Rapture before Tribulation.

He told us that he would be one of the ones martyr,and I told him not to worry...

The Lord is COMING FOR HIS CHURCH....

We might get to see him again in two more weeks as we are going back....

Nothing give you more happiness than 'witnessessing about our Lord and Savior.'

Jeani, if you get to see him again, and he says that he's saved but is going into the tribulation period, then throw the pre-trib book at him. He's believing in partial atonement, that Jesus didn't do it all on the cross. Ask him why he believes being martyred will get him to Heaven when all the verses about Jesus' blood, faith, and promise(s) of delivery "from" that period don't matter. He may not believe in a pre-trib rapture, but you can make him deny a truck load of scripture, all the while putting Jesus right back on that cross. Very dangerous territory there - ask him why he wants to do that. Their doctrinal belief is one of denial (of scripture).

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