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PRACTICALLY EVERYONE KNOWS,,,
Jesus said “but of that day and hour knoweth no man”
(Mat 24:36)

but I want to bring to your attention an earlier verse,
where I heard that in the original Greek,
this is worded as a command,

where God also says,
“know that it is near, even at the DOORs” (Mat 24:33)
and,,,

because of the coma, separating these two items,
I believe that He is showing us,
both of the things that we CAN “KNOW”,
we can know just how near it is by,
showing us the deadline, or Door.
(or must happen before date)

I want to show everybody this Door,
or these Doors,
Doors which Jesus MUST pass through,
as these are limitations set out by Father,
by stating it in His Prophecies,
which we know, must always hold true

Is 2012 the end?....
YES,,, for all those who are born again

I created this email to warn our secular world,
and show my Brothers + Sisters in Christ,
Just how close our blessed hope is,
(CHRIST’s second coming),

Hello there,
My Christian Brother/Sister,
Sorry for the length of this letter,
but I feel that these words are all,
of the utmost importance for you to hear,
I have olored the most important stuff in red,,,,,,,,,
For easier finding and quicker reading,

This is what I have come to call my,,,
"2020 VISION”

The reason for this date setting title,
Although I hesitate to write these words,
as there is such a stigmatization with date setting,
I don’t claim to know when the Knock will come,
I just want to show everybody the “DOORS”

why Christ must return before the year 2020

Here is something that I feel is very important,
I want to have this argument worded in the best way that I can,,
to best explain my discovery,
Then I want to send it to all the web churches that I know of,
to see if they know how I could be in error,,,
or,,,,,,,,,,, is this really the Truth,

There is a deadline for the return of Christ,
as in,,,
a date that Christ must come back before,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I got this through using logic, mathematics and the Bible,
Practically everybody knows of the verse,
(Mat 24:36) “but of that day and hour knoweth no man”
but I want to show you an earlier verse,
Mat 24:33) - “know that it is near, even at the DOORs”
We are told that not only will we “know” that it is near,
but we shall “know” just how near it is,
by giving us a the deadline,
or must happen before date,

Doors is plural,,, maybe this represents His two comings,
Once in the rapture,
(I Thes 4:17) – “we which are alive,,,
shall be caught up,,, to meet the Lord in the air,,,”
And once in all His glory,
when He sets His feet on the earth again,,
(Rev 19:11-16) – “I saw heaven opened,,, His eyes were as a flame,,, on His head were many crowns,,,
KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS“

I do not wish to start any panics,,,
what I wish to start,
is this End Time Revival,
that I have heard so much about.

God will not let our suffering go on
Within the next two years,
Christ will come back for His followers,
And all of us born-again believers,
will vanish off this earth,,,,,,,,,,,

I feel an urgent necessity,
for this news to get out to the world,,,,
because all Christians should know these facts,

I believe God’s timing is getting very near,
and I have discovered some facts,,,
about there being a certainty,
Why Christ simply MUST return,,, before the year 2020.
it also has duel meaning,,,
20/20 is perfect vision,,,
(with my +5 bottle bottom glasses, this is sure not from me,,, lol)

There is a lot of 2012 hype out there lately,
Yes,,, 2012 is a very significant date,
And yes, this world is coming to an end,
Or should I say,
this WORLD SYSTEM,,,,,,,,,,,,

Now hold on,,,
our world is never going to cease to exist,
Proof = (Isaiah 45:17) + (Ephesians 3:21) - “world without end”

I discovered this by using the verse (Mat 24 :34)
“this generation shall not pass,(die)”
Starting with 1967.5, (when Israel took control of Jerusalem),
and then adding 51.6, (generation = calculated from 14+14+14 of Mat 1:17)
that the total is 2019.1,,, (explanation below)
Then subtracting the 7 year (6.9 solar) for the Tribulation,
We get 2012.2 as the last date for the rapture,
This way, we are shown both of the doors,

Christ must come back before 2020,
So, 2020, (2019.1) is the DOOR,,,,,
Or should I say, one of the DOORs,

And 2012.2 is the other Door,
As it is the last year for Christ to return in the air,
and still be able to fulfill prophecy,
and we know that Bible prophecy cannot fail,
Bible prophecy is TRUTH,

I believe that God wants the deadline to come out into the light,
And this deadline,(door) can be found,,,
God will come back for His followers,
All who are born-again believers,

I have been moving straight into what I think needs to come out,,, NOW !!!
I will be attempting to do this, with logic, and the details about His Word,
I believe that God wants the deadline to come out into the light,

Then I will show you a list of all the mathematics and Bible verses,
that brought me to this startling conclusion,,,
one that I have trouble seeing why no one has ever seen before.
(maybe,,, we just had to wait for His Timing)

Lastly, I will tell you a little bit more about myself,
or what is more important, my beliefs and values,
to give you a better idea of just who this warrior is.
To make things quicker to refer to, easier for reading,
and to let you easily get to the most important parts,

I have colored the most important stuff in red,,,,,,,,,
For easier referencing and quicker reading,
To make things quicker to refer to, easier for reading,
and to let you easily get to the most important parts,

Please,,,,, read this through, and do not just rashly cast it aside,.
passing me off as just another fanatic,
ranting about something I know nothing about.
I may be a fanatic,,,,,, but I have become a fanatic about God,
I try to use the energizing emotional charge and feeling,
And my less than four hours sleep a night,
in the most productive way for His Kingdom.

I do this by trying to read His Word daily,
usually studying it intensely,
Holy Word of God is the glue that holds my life together,
I enjoy reading + studying His Word,
It is a needed comfort in this crazy life,
where I believe only the prophecies, rules and guidelines,
that can be found in the Holy Bible. .
(I use the King James Version)

This thought came to me a few years ago,
while I was thinking about the verses,
about how we would know when His coming was near,
I was convinced, that God would give us fair warning,
of just how close His coming was.

I believe that we are the generation that will not have to experience death.

Most everyone knows about the verse Mathew 24:36,
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man,,,",
when speaking the time of Christ's return,
But the verse that I want to discuss, is Mathew 24:33, where it says,
"So likewise ye,,, know that it is near, even at the doors.".

I heard that in then original Greek,
This is phrased as a COMMAND,
As in, we MUST KNOW that it is near,
And further more,
We shall know even the DOOR,

This door might represent "a deadline",
or must "happen by" date,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I want to learn Greek, to see how all of His Word was first written,,,
but especially I wish to view and understand this verse,
about us being able to know that the time is near.

I think that He is telling us that we can KNOW how close it is,
by giving us the deadline,,,
or showing us the door,,,
but we still don't know when His Knock will come, (the rapture).

And this deadline,(door) can be found,,,
for it says that we shall know the generation,
and to know that it is near,
we must have a start and end date,
to be able to count down the remaining time,
in order to know that it is near,

and I think that He wants this knowledge to come out.
We can find this deadline because it says,
We shall "know that it is near” (Mat 24:33)

By starting from the date of Israel regaining control of Jerusalem,
= as it is part of "when ye see all these things"=(Mat 24:33),
which was the summer of 1967.

Then, calculating the duration of a generation,
by taking Christ's linage of 14,14+14 generations-(Mathew 1:17).
This gives us a "generatiom" eaqual to 51.6 years.

The reason that I happen to feel very confident about using this duration of time,
for the life span for the final “generation”,
is that it was the same duration used to accurately predicted the date,
May 14, 1948,
which was the rebirth of Israel
( taken from a book by a well known Canadian author )
It was this realization that my Lord used,
To help me learn to trust the Bible,
and soon become born again,
Way back in 88,,,

So,,, now we take 1967.5,
and then add the 51.6 years for the generation,
where it is said "this generation shall not pass".
That gives an end date of 2019.1,,,
but certainly this must happen before the year 2020,,,
That is why I call it the “2020 VISION”

Now, going by my whole-hearted belief in,
the pre-trib rapture,
This means that His appearance to rescue His own,
must be 6.9 years earlier = (7 Jewish years),
so this gives 2019.1 – 6.9 = 2012.2

This means 2012.2 is the latest date for the rapture,

When Christ will return for His church,
(Titus 2:13) = “looking for that blessed hope AND the glorious appearing”
- this verse with the “and” tells us of both comings,
- the rapture, and His Glorious appearing,
o at the end of the tribulation
(I Thes 4:17) = “then we which are alive,,, shall be caught up“

Sooooo,,, message to all that are born again,

We have less than two years to make a difference in this world

. Your Bro,
. . joe

SOME OF MY CALCULATIONS
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First off,,,
let us calculate the time allotted for this end time “generation“,,,
Well, I chose to take it from the linage of Jesus,
figuring this out by taking the number of years,
that since the birth of Abraham,
and dividing this number by the number of generations,

(Mat 1:7) - “So all the generations from Abraham,,, are fourteen generations;,,, fourteen generations; and,,, fourteen generations.”

Generation =
Then we need a start date, for when this “generation” starts,
which I discovered was, during the six day war, in March of 1967,
and not in 1948, at the birth of the nation Israel,
as Israel had to be in control of Jerusalem,
for this “generation” to begin,

(Mat 24:33) - So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
(Mat 24:34) - Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Well,,, what if, “know that it is near”, is a mistranslation of “know the deadline”

Generation =
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We are told that there are 14 + 14 + 14 generations from Abraham to Jesus in
(Mat 1:17)
14 + 14 + 14 = 42 generations
2,167 is the year for the Birth of Abraham.
http://www.stanford.edu/~meehan/donnelly/bibchron.html
http://www.israel-a-history-of.com/stor ... raham.html
http://www.olive-tree.net/redemptivepla ... ew%20I.htm
2,167
/42 =
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51.595 = generation,,
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I have been struggling with this,,,

In my whole life,
I never thought of myself,
as the person who would tell the world,
that it was all over,,,,,,,,,,,,

(there is soon to be, a New King in town )

With so little time left,
,,, less than 2 years,,,
I would like to work 24/7,

But although I have been known to go 3 or 4 days,
Without any down time,,,
I usually pass out,
for 2 to 3 hours most every night,,, lol

I love God,
with all of my heart,
and I want to assist Him all that I can,
as I believe that He has giving me,
an incredibly inquisitive mind,
and He teaches me all that I ask,
I hope, that I can maybe shake this world up,

I want to dissolve this evolution hoax,
so that I can tear down these paper walls of this world system,

I would like to know how there scientists explain,
how the earth has been orbiting the sun,
for millions, if not billions of years,
without the fuel burning up long ago,
,,, and if they think that they can make up a good excuse for that one,

I would hit them with the,,,
“how do you explain it remaining in orbit”
while our Sun shrinks,
as it burns off its fuel,
giving us the light we so desperately need,

And not only the earth,
but how about the rest of the planets,
how did they all stay in orbit,
with the diminishing size, (+ gravity pull) on our sun,
over such a great span on time,,,

sun = fuel burning out
proton decay = all matter in universe had an expiry date
- and there is none being made
moon leaving orbit = in few thousand years
- life cannot exist without it
o dead ocean without it
- how was it orbiting for billions of years,
o and now all of a sudden, it is moving out of orbit
radio active material,,,
- how is there any still left,
- wouldn’t it all decomposed,
- with such short half-lives
- or that means that there had to be 99% radio active material,

,,,,,,,, the odds for that happening is,,,
one in 10 to the millionth power

I wish that I could get the funding to take,
Some better, (more accurate) IQ tests,
And with God’s Help,
(John 14:26) = “He shall teach you all things”
I hope and believe, that,
I would be able to best every IQ test that they can throw at me,

I want to use this mind,
which God has blessed me with,
to challenge the sciences of this world,
Showing them how the Signature of God is in all of Creation.
((I believe that His Signature can be seen,
. at the point where the odds are too overwhelmingly great))

Your Bro,
. joe

Just one of His creations:

My beliefs are:
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There is a real God = God does exist, He created this world, He is love,
He is the God of the Bible,
(Rom 1:20)= “For the invisible things of him from the Creation of the world are clearly seen,,,
so that they are without excuse”
all of creation, and fulfilled prophecy proves it
He is a personal God, and lives within me = in the form of the Holy Spirit,
Jesus is God, = Emmanuel, God with us, (Mathew 1:23)
the Trinity is Truth = I believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One God,
(Gen 1:26)= ”And God said, LET US MAKE man in our image”
(John 1:1)= “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
I believe in the pre-trib rapture, that will happen before the 7 Hebrew years of tribulation
The Holy Bible is truly the inerrant Word of God, there are no mistakes, only mistranslations,
The earth is only about 6000 years old, the layers in the earth were layered in the flood,
(the evidence is everywhere,,, we just choose to ignore it)
The Bible Code is Truth, it is real, and accurate, yet cannot be found until after it happens,
(who knows how much of His-story is recorded in there )
We are now living in the "End Times", the time just before Christ’s imminent return,
Aliens + ghosts are real = they do exist, but they are not what they claim to be, they are fallen angels:
(they are all male,,, no female, deceiving spirits, )

I believe that my Lord has let me discover many enlightening things,
with this extremely inquisitive mind,
that the Lord God Almighty has blessed me with,
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things which include,,,
(1) - I try not to use the words “I am”,
as I have come to believe that,
this is the Title of God.
Only He can use the word “am”,
because it is a word that implies eternal,
and because in Exodus 3:14 God says:
“Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.”

Have you noticed that lately,
There have been a lot of commercials,
That use “I am” in them
And it is used more in TV and movies too,

(2) - I know that the Trinity may be a problem for many people,
so I asked for some enlightenment,
and I believe that the good Lord has shown me,
a good way of explaining the Trinity doctrine,,,
the Godhead is a Trinity
and man is also made in three parts

GOD made= man .
Father = mind = in charge, brains, intelligence, memory
Son = body = your frame, the part that feels, does + contains everything
Holy Spirit = soul = personality, temperament, emotions

(3) - Aliens and ghosts are real,
flying saucers and haunted houses do exist,
they are just not who they pretend to be,
they are not further evolved creatures,
nor are they the spirits of dead people,
they are the spirits of fallen angels,,,
pretending to be other than they are,
in order to deceive us humans,
into not believing the Holy Bible,

After the rapture,
which must take place by 2012.2,
aliens will show up,
probably helping to explain away,
the disappearance of so many people,

(4) - Since becoming “born again”-(in 1988),
I have always known in my heart,
that we were the generation spoken of,
in the Bible, that got to see Christ return,
and I was always looking for proof,
to show both believers, and non believers,
just how close His coming was,,,
in all of His Glory and Power,

Now,,,, please spread around this argument that I have shown you,,,
because I cannot see why it is that no one has seen this before,
(I guess that we just had to wait for His timing)
you can do your own calculation of the dates and times,

One can calculate all they want, but that does not change the fact that we have no idea when Christ will return. It is nothing more than mere human speculation, and man attempting to second guess God.


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