Carmela wrote:Then what are the N'filim? They were the offspring of the daughters of men and the sons of God. Isn't that a strange way of describing those children? They were obviously unusual in stature (giants). . .so what were they? I have never given this a lot of thought because of the nature of it, but I have always thought that some fallen angels left their natural way, bred with human women and produced these N'filim. I have always thought that these angels, because of their horrific crime against nature, are the ones who are now chained in the abyss awaiting their judgement. Angels wern't suposed to have free will either, but eventually they did at one time. There is a specific demon spirit that is known for having sex with human woman while they are sleeping. Strange, the stuff we dredge up from past teachings that we even forgot that we knew!
Sister, I can't think of much you and I disagree on and this may be the only thing. But I would like for you to concider what I have been taught and what I feel the scriptures say about Nephilim.
I know that their are men that teach what you say and I know that these are men that are well respected in the christian community. Yet in their sincerity, I believe the are sincerely wrong.
First, I hope that you read my original post! Then I hope you will consider this.
You asked what were Niphilim?
Simply giant offsprings of men, not demons or angels.
Genesis 6: 1-4
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
The term 'sons of God' is replaced by 'fallen angels' as if the Holy Spirit had chosen to obscure the truth by referring to them as being God's children rather than just say 'fallen angel'.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Notice that there is no mention at all here of any fallen angels having corrupted man by way of their sexual escapades which is something that could not possibly be overlooked as if such was some kind of non issue.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The Nephilim (giants) were there before the sons of God had children and so giantism wouldn't indicate anything as regards angels having sex even if you consider those sons of God to be 'fallen angels' because such giants (Nephilim) existed prior to those sons of God having taken wives. We are told that the children of the sons of God became mighty men, men of renown, while there is no mention at all here concerning their being half angel and half man; something that would be plainly stated if such were actually the case. Nothing is said about those children having any supernatural abilities. And there is not even a hint given anywhere in the scriptures to indicate that those giants (Nephilim) or their children had any angel-like abilities. So we see that there is really no supportive evidence for that hybridism doctrine to be found in these passages. There is not even a single verse anywhere in scripture where any man is said to have had an angel for a father. Neither is there any genealogy record whereby those alleged sons of Satan, according to the flesh, could be identified as such. It would have been one very wild old dating game back then because how would women know who was who so as to avoid marrying a part-devil creature? That would have made it rather difficult to maintain the so called genetic purity needed in order to preserve a line by which to bring God's Son into the world.
Problem: All men were spiritually polluted by sin yet the Lord still came into the world. Was Mary chosen of the Lord because she was sinless or was exceptionally pure as regards genetics? Strange in that the prohibition that the Lord gave in regards to His people marrying pagans was based on the fact that such would lead His people astray. He never mentioned purity in regards to breeding as being a factor. It is often said the use of the word 'tamiym' (perfect) in reference to Noah meant that he was genetically pure; however when the word is used in regards to fleshly perfection, usually in regard to sacrifices, it is never used in the sense that only special stock is to be employed; it only refers to animals that have not been maimed or have obvious defects in them. There is absolutely no basis at all for suggesting that breeding was a factor in those sacrifices being esteemed 'perfect'. Never once did the Lord say that only a certain breed of dove, or lamb, was to be used. The context in which 'tamiym' is used in reference to Noah suggests moral perfection in any case. Men of every manner of infirmity and genetic disorder are being saved so how does that accord with that alleged 'genetic purity' doctrine?
So far there are more gaps in this theory than are perhaps found in the genealogical record as pertains to evolution. But we are not quite finished yet. Here is the second of the three sets of scripture passages commonly used to support 'fallen angel and man' hybridism.
2 Peter 2: 4-6
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
There is no mention above that the sin of those angels was sex. So there is actually no support for the hybridism doctrine to be found there at all. The word 'hell' is translated from the original word 'Tartarus' which means simply that they were bound in the very depths of darkness. The word is also used in Greek mythology where it means, 'the dark abode of woe, the pit of darkness in the unseen world' which is derived from the Babylonian concept of the underworld where the most wicked of spirits were believed to have dwelt. Jesus stated that He was in Heaven while He was standing on the earth; so why can't Satan be in the very depths of darkness while he is also upon the earth? Every fallen angel, including Satan, is bound up and chained by darkness and dwells in a pit of gloom. That is why the demons pleaded with Jesus to allow them to go into the pigs rather than their being cut off from this world altogether. (Notice that their reprieve didn't last long because the pigs ran directly into the sea and were drowned.) Whenever I run into a nasty spirit I usually ask the Lord to toss it down into the spiritual pit where it properly belongs. Notice it says chains of darkness and not chains of iron like unto those used to imprison Satan during the thousand year Millennium. And note that Satan was not only chained with iron chains, and with a seal placed upon him in order to keep him in that pit; but that the angel of God also had the key to the pit itself. Rev. 20: 1-3 How's that for security?
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
Note the order above namely 'angels who sinned' being cast down to hell and then later the people of 'Sodom and Gomorrha'.
Now finally the last section of scripture that is misinterpreted in favour of this doctrine.
Jude
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Here we are told that the angels who failed to remain true to the Lord are reserved under chains of darkness. There is no mention of any sexual sin as regards to those angels. Would faithful angels having witnessed Satan's fall from heaven be so forgetful that they would have left heaven anyway to come to earth because they found women so enchanting that they just couldn't help themselves? As for the words as found in the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning the one third part of angels being drawn down with Satan take note that such happened before Jesus came into the world (Rev. 12:4a) which destroys the doctrine concerning that event being something that takes place in the future.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Here the same order is found that Peter used in his warning as regards wickedness, namely that the angels were previously cast down for their rebellion just as those wicked people of Sodom and Gomorrha were themselves. Note carefully that the term 'in like manner' refers to the cities about Sodom and Gomorrha as being similarly wicked and so that specific term doesn't even point back to the angels in the preceding verse. The term 'in like manner' already has an object namely those surrounding cities. The theme being covered here is one of rebellion against the Lord in any form and that if angels couldn't avoid judgement and neither did those who similarly lived after a wicked manner, then the evil men who are the main topic under consideration wouldn't be able to escape either. In addition the men of Sodom as the name suggests were not primarily known for their going after women which destroys the like manner concept altogether as relates to the fallen angels, who after all, according to the hybridism doctrine obviously preferred women.
Fact: The Babylonians and Persians both believed in a hierarchy of fallen angels that they had given names to. They also believed that those fallen angels taught men science.
Fact: God's word doesn't give a list of angels who rebelled and God's word doesn't teach that fallen angels taught men science.
Fact: After the Jews were exposed to the religions of those people above a teaching was found among them based on questionable writings that mention fallen angels by name and also claimed that they taught men science.
Conclusion: The pseudepigraphical writings used to bolster the Nephilim hybrid teaching are based on mythological beliefs as held to by pagans.
So you see the so called proof for the angel-man hybrid teaching is actually just a clever shell game with some added on smoke and mirrors.
You did have me going there for a minute. I was expecting you to come back with a doctrine that I hadn't heard of before. . 
