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Romans Chapter 13 Revisited. "What does it REALLY say"?

Teachings and movements without scriptural evedence of such.
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Re: Romans Chapter 13 Revisited. "What does it REALLY say"?

Postby L.V.C.O. » 18 Aug 2009, 19:46

Remnant wrote:
L.V.C.O. wrote:
januarie wrote:L.V.C.O, "we" didn't do any of that, the "godless" did and I can understand trying to make sense of what's happening today by viewing it from the perspective of the "end of days".

On the other hand, I think you are saying that Christians compromised with the world and now we are suffering for it. The trouble with that viewpoint is that I don't know any true, Bible believing, Blood bought Christians who are that wishy washy. For too long, America has been a nation of "so-called Christians" who have had a "form of religion while denying its power". Now, those of us who have the Holy Spirit living within us, are left to make sense of it.

(Nice to see you back on the forum, btw. :)


With all due respect, I know people who are "blood bought Christians" who believed that some type of compromise was the will of God and NOW regret that decision. Was that God's will too? And are they no less saved after they realized their mistake, confessed it and repented openly, trying to correct their mistake?

There will be days when what seems to be the RIGHT way ends up WRONG. And being able to know the difference isn't always clear. And though we may be still SAVED by Jesus's blood, it still doesn't make us any less ACCOUNTABLE for those mistakes. The Bible still says we must stand before God ( in judgment ) and explain our actions ( or in some cases, INACTION ). What motivated the choices each of us made.

There is an old saying that goes "The road to HELL is paved with GOOD INTENTIONS". When you think about it, is that not what people ( or Christians for that matter ) are doing today?


Hi Jeffery, I believe that Obama was so allowed to be president of this country because America got what they wanted and asked for. I also believe it was part of Gods sovereign will for that to happen. I do not believe He wanted any of His children to vote for him. Could we have changed the outcome of the election. No! not at this point in history and bible prophecy.

I personally believe it is too late to change and undo the damaged that has be done. We are moving at break neck speed toward the time prophesied by Jesus in Matthew 24. Is that God's will? I believe it is. Do we sat and just watch it happen? No! We must still be active and in urgency getting the truth and message out. Our time is running short.

You said the road is paved with good intentions and yes they are but from what I see nothing good can come out of the Obama administration except that we are moved closer to the return of our Lord and the stage will be set in order for the Anti Christ to come into power. I believe the United states is the key. When America ceases to be a nation whose God is the Lord! Kate bar the Door!



You said the key word, Frank. "Prophecy".

God already knew the hearts of men as well as the outcome our choices would have on our lives. And though he "prophesied" our eventual downfall because of sin, whether by pride or lusts it doesn't mean God "willed" it to happen. That is the point I'm trying to make.

God only wants what is best for us. Sometimes he may even allow our (man's) stupidity to accomplish his goals in the end.

What better way than by our living through "trial and error" for God to make his point to us and teach us why his decrees are true, just and fair.
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Re: Romans Chapter 13 Revisited. "What does it REALLY say"?

Postby Carmela » 19 Aug 2009, 08:52

I think I get what you're saying, Jeffery. It comes down to the defination of God's "will". Everything that happens is according to His will but He is not necessarily "willing" things to happen. :hum
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Re: Romans Chapter 13 Revisited. "What does it REALLY say"?

Postby L.V.C.O. » 19 Aug 2009, 14:21

Carmela wrote:I think I get what you're saying, Jeffery. It comes down to the defination of God's "will". Everything that happens is according to His will but He is not necessarily "willing" things to happen. :hum


Yes.

It was God's "will" to create Adam and Eve. It was not God's "will" that they disobey him. That was all Adam and Eve's doing.

It was God's "will" to question them. It was not God's "will" for them to not accept responsibility for their actions and make it sound that God himself was to blame by passing the buck down to the serpent God had created who (when filled with Satan) tempted them.

It is God's "will" that no one should perish and accept his gift, Jesus Christ, for their SALVATION. It is not God's "will" to force that acceptance on anyone nor for anyone to love God or his Son when they really don't.

We should not be giving God the credit for OUR dumb choices in life. Or we will have done the very same thing Adam and Eve did and proved to God that we really haven't learned a thing.

Remember, the tree that they ate from was called the "Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil". And now that we KNOW, we are going to be held ACCOUNTABLE.
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Re: Romans Chapter 13 Revisited. "What does it REALLY say"?

Postby Carmela » 19 Aug 2009, 16:39

gotcha! :bgr
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Re: Romans Chapter 13 Revisited. "What does it REALLY say"?

Postby Jeani » 20 Aug 2009, 00:03

I know this is a repeat,but the best scriptures one can understand about the Lord 'allowing' bad government upon His people,but not being 'His will.'

You will remember in 1 Samuel 8 where God has given Israel 'judges' to rule Israel,but they wanted a king.

So......

GOD PROTESTS ISRAEL'S DEMAND
But the thing displeased Samuel (Prophet) when they (Israel) said, give us a king to judge us.' So Samuel prayed to the Lord.

And the Lord said to Samuel, 'Heed the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you (Samuel), but they have rejected Me (God), that I should not reign over them.

According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt, even to this day--with which they have forsaken Me and served other gods--so they are doing to you also.

Now therefore, heed, their voice. However, you shall solemnity forewarm them, and show them the behavior of the king who will reign over them.
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So through these scriptures we can see that Israel had forsaken God,and served other gods.

God allowed them to have a king,but that wasn't His will for them.

That's America today because we have forsaken God,and served other gods.

God has allowed Obama to be our president,but I don't think it was His will.

You see, all we had to do was turn back to God,and throw away all of the false gods.

They wanted to be like other nations with their kings~

Instead we have let immigrants enter into our country with their false gods,and we, as a nation, have turn from Him to follow false gods.

We didn't seek God's guidance in finding our leadership~

However we do know throughout the Bible that God always saved a small remnant,and WE are the small remnant.

Not to say we will not suffer,but we know where we are bound for........

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