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The Antichrist
This is some of my Bible notes~What are your thoughts?


The Antichrist has to be a 'Gentile' because the Jews will not accept a Gentile when he sets himself up in the temple. That's why it's called a 'desolation.'

His Origin
In Daniel 7 we read about four world empires that would rise and fall.

In our Great Tribulation study we examine these empires more closely ,but here we will only look at the order of these empires.

First beast:A lion with wings-Babylonian empire from 586 B.C. to 539 B.C.

Second beast:A bear -Medo-Persian empire from 539 B.C to 331 B.C

Third beast:A leopard with four wings-Grecian empire from 331 B.C to 63 B.C.

Fourth beast:An animal without description with 10 horns-Roman empire phase 1 from 63 B.C. to 476 A.D.

Fourth beast:Roman empire phase 2.The 10 horns represent 10 kings that will arise from the fourth beast in the end times.

Then in Daniel 7 we read:
''And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.''(Daniel 7: 20-21,24-25)

The eleventh horn that comes up from the beast is the Antichrist.He will be more stout then the other 10 kings,that is,he will have a dictator type of personality.

In Revelation 13,John has a vision of this same beast with 10 horns.Unlike Daniel,John is able to describe the beast:
''And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.''(Revelation 13:1-2)

Notice that the fourth beast of Daniel 7 is seen by John possessing characteristics of the 3 previous beasts.The beast is partly leopard,partly bear,and partly lion having 7 heads and 10 horns.Daniel could see the 10 horns but could not describe the body and the 7 heads of the beast.

This beast that will rise in the end times will have a geographical combination of Babylonian,Persian,Grecian, and Roman empires.

The 10 horns are the 10 kings that will arise out of this beast and the 7 heads represent the 7 kingdoms that will be revived under the political dominion of this beast as we read in Revelation:

''And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.''(Revelation 17:9-11)

John here sees that five of those kings had already fallen,one was alive during his time,and the seventh would come to live a short time.The beast will be the eight but he will be of the seven.This means that the beast will be a resurrected king or kingdom of the past.

The order of these 7 kings or kingdoms is:
1 Egypt
2 Assyria
3 Babylon
4 Medo-Persia
5 Grecia
6 Rome (the one that was during the time of John)
7 Possibly the Turkish Ottoman empire
8 The resurrected king which will be the Antichrist

With the exception of Assyria,all these kingdoms still exist today as nations,namely Egypt,Babylon as Iraq,Medo-Persia as Iran,Grecia as Greece,Rome as Europe,and the Ottoman empire as Turkey.

It appears that the eighth king that will be of the seven will be the Assyrian kingdom.

May I sugget that Assyria will once again be a nation in the future.It is interesting to note that there are in northern Iraq descendants of the ancient Assyrian people who still hold to some of the Assyrian culture and language.Some of them are orthodox Christians and were heavily persecuted by Saddam Hussein when he was in power.Now with Saddam Hussein out of the way,it is possible that the Assyrians will gain independence and have a nation called Assyria again.See Isaiah 19:23-25.

This means that the Antichrist will be an Assyrian.The Bible seems to indicate in some passages that the Antichrist will be an Assyrian:

''The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, [so] shall it stand:That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.''(Isaiah 14:24-25).

The fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is about the future destruction of Babylon.In 14:4 the Antichrist is called the king of Babylon who will be empowered by Lucifer in verses 12 through 15.In verse 25 he is called the Assyrian.This suggests that the Antichrist besides being an Assyrian,he will also be the king (president) of Babylon which is modern day Iraq.

Daniel says:
'' I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.'' (Daniel 7:8)
Revelation says:
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'And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies . . . (Revelation 13:5)

The Antichrist has a mouth that blasphemes the name of God. It is interesting to note that just three verses prior to verse 5, the mouth of the beast that blasphemes God is seen on the lion:
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'And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion . . . (Revelation 13:2)

Could it be that this mouth symbolism is pointing to the Antichrist as coming from Babylon which is typified by the Lion?. Babylon is modern day Iraq and if the Antichrist is called the ''king of Babylon'' in Isaiah 14:4 who speaks the five blasphemous ''I wills'' in verses 13-15 and the ''Assyrian'' in Isaiah 14:25, this makes perfect sense because the Assyrians who live in Iraq are Iraqi citizens besides being Assyrians ethnically. If that is the case, the Antichrist will be ethnically an Assyrian who becomes a prominent political figure in Iraq thus making him both the ''Assyrian'' and the ''king of Babylon''.

In Isaiah 30 we read something very interesting:
''And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of [his] anger, and [with] the flame of a devouring fire, [with] scattering, and tempes, and hailstones.For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, [which] smote with a rod.''(Isaiah 30:30-31)

This verse says that the Assyrian will be destroyed by the voice of the Lord.Could it be that this is what Paul had in mind when he wrote?:
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'Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God . . .And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:''(2 Thessalonians 2:3-4,8)

Here Paul says that the Antichrist will be destroyed by the spirit of the mouth of the Lord just as Isaiah wrote that by the voice of the Lord will the Assyrian be destroyed.Although Paul and Isaiah use different terms,the idea is the same.

Some may object the view that the Antichrist will be of Assyrian origin because of a verse found in Daniel 9:
''and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.'' (Daniel 9:26 b)

The people of the prince that shall come who destroyed the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (The Second Temple) were the Romans.

Therefore,based on this verse,many conclude that the prince (Antichrist) will be of Roman origin.Some even believe he will be an Italian.

The propblem is that Rome in ancient times was an empire,not just a city.In fact some of the Roman legions were located in the areas known today as Syria,Lebanon and Jordan.

Therefore,the Roman soldiers who were involved in the destruction of the Second Temple were of Arab and Assyrian descent.

If Assyria is not to become an independent kingdom in the future ( I strongly believe it will ),the problem will be identifying which section of the Assyrian empire the Antichrist will come from because the Assyrian empire encompassed a very large portion of the Middle East.

The modern nations that were under the dominion of the Assyrian empire include Egypt,Israel,Jordan,Syria,Lebanon,Eastern parts of Turkey,Armenia,Iraq,Kuwait, and Kurdista

He cannot be from Israel because his very purpose will be to destroy the nation of Israel.

He cannot be from Syria nor from Egypt because in Daniel 11:40-45 he will be fighting against the kings of the North and of the South which are Syria and Egypt.

He cannot be from Kurdistan because the Medes will come against Babylon which will be his economic capital according to Isaiah 13:17.

The Medes are the modern Kurdish people.He could come either from Lebanon or Northern Iraq where Nineveh, the capital of Assyria was located.

It is also possible that he will come from Jordan.It is interesting to note that the Hashemite family of Jordan is the custodian of the Temple Mount where the Jews will rebuild the Jewish Temple after the Antichrist confirms a covenant with them according to Daniel 9:27.

Some believe that Prince El Hassan bin Talal of Jordan will be the Antichrist.

That is because there are similarities between the Islamic Messiah known as the Twelfth Imman or the Mahdi and the Antichrist.

The Mahdi is supposed to rule the world for seven years according to Islamic eschatology.The Antichrist will rule for seven years according to Biblical eschatology.

The Mahdi must be a descendant of the prophet Mohammed.

Prince El Hassan bin Talal is a descendant of the prophet Mohammed.

The identity of the Antichrist to be revealed before the Rapture of the Church,but there are some interesting things about this man.

Prince Hassan can communicate in 8 languages:

Arabic,English,French,German,Turkish,Urdu,Spanish and interestingly enough,Hebrew.

The Antichrist will be a great communicator according to Daniel 8:25a

Prince Hassan is the Moderator of the World Conference of Religions for Peace and one of the world’s leading advocates of inter-faith dialogue and understanding according to the Synopsis of Prince Hassan's book entitled To Be A Muslim: Islam, Peace, and Democracy

The Antichrist will promise religious peace between Arabs and Jews by confirming a covenant with Israel allowing the Jews to rebuild their Holy Temple in Jerusalem according to Daniel 9:27 and will promote a One Wrld Religion in order to be worshiped by the entire world according to Revelation 13:3-4

Prince Hassan was the president of the Club of Rome between 1999-2007

The Club of Rome initiated an attempt to revive the Roman Empire.

The Antichrist will be the head of the revived Roman Empire which will include the Middle East according to Daniel 7:23-25,Revelation 13:1-2 and 17:11-13 click here to read related article

Prince El Hassan bin Talal is the 42nd generation direct descendant of the Prophet Mohammad through the male line of the Prophet’s grandson El Hassan.Prince Hassan's branch of the Hashemite family ruled in Mecca from 1201 (C.E.) until 1925 (C.E.).

Muslims believe the Islamic Mahdi will be a descendant of the Prophet Mohammad.Some believe the Islamic Mahdi is the Antichirst of Scriptures.

Prince Hassan wrote three interesting books

A Study on Jerusalem

Synopsis of the book

A work on aspects of the juridical status of the City of Jerusalem, and the Holy Places related to it, "at a time in the history of the Middle East where thoughtful discussion, rather than emotional judgement alone, is needed to improve our understanding of the issues." Through an examination of the literature on the political, historical and religious claims to Jerusalem, this study takes a first step towards clarifying the background on questions of sovereignty as well as municipal rights and control of the Holy Places.

Search for Peace
Synopsis of the book
With a clinical eye of a detached commentator, Prince El Hassan steps back from an ongoing world crisis to view its causes and possible cure. Convinced of the imminent threat of Armageddon, he writes this book - not just to urge his country's cause, nor solely to warn the world of its danger. He sees the key to the situation in the quest for identity of his people, the Arabs. The author sees that the future salvation of the region lies with two very different forces: the superpower[s] and the individual, above all the individual Palestinian, in quest for a national identity. He tells us how we can bring about the peace that the whole world needs.

To Be A Muslim: Islam, Peace, and Democracy
Synopsis of the book
This book is an incisive, personal statement about the essence of Islam by one of the world’s leading advocates of inter-faith dialogue and understanding – Prince El Hassan bin Talal of Jordan. There is much ignorance about Islam in the West, and negative opinions of Islam feed on that ignorance. The views and attitudes about Islam in public dialogue since the Osama bin Laden-inspired terrorist attack on September 11, 2001 require a response that sets Islam in a light that shows its fundamental belief structures and humanity.

The core of the book is a statement of belief in a question and answer format that allows Islam’s basic tenets to be quickly grasped by a wide audience. In form and content To Be A Muslim reaches both a Western audience and also Muslims (who themselves can be Westerners) who are seeking to articulate their faith and to explain it to themselves and to others. The questions put by His Royal Highness’s collaborator, Alain Elkann, are those frequently posed by people not knowledgeable about Islam.

Prince El Hassan’s answers are precise and informative. He presents a persuasive argument that the beliefs and culture of the majority of the Islamic world not only are compatible with but are contributive to a world at peace – a world of diversity in which Muslim and non-Muslim nations can and should collaborate to create a more humane and just global society. He cites the Qur’an, the Hadith (sayings), and the Sunna (tradition) of the Prophet Muhammad, and describes how most of Islam during most of its history has applied the teachings of the Prophet so as to treat other ethnic groups, cultures and faiths – especially the Jewish and Christian monotheists – with respect, tolerance and fairness.

This unique book is complemented by chapters from David L. Boren, President of the University of Oklahoma and Ambassador Edward J. Perkins, who set the exposition of the Prince (who was awarded a Doctorate of Humane Letters by the University of Oklahoma) in a wide historical and political context.

See all Prince Hassan's books here: http://www.elhassan.org/reg/publication ... ions.html#

The Antichrist will promote a false peace according to Daniel 8:25 ,9:27,1Thessalonians 5:3, will make Jerusalem (The Glorious Land) his headquarters according to Daniel 11:41,45,and will promote religious interfaithsm which will ultimately cause the world to worship him as god according to Revelation 13:3-4.Peace,interfaithsm, and Jerusalem are the same subjects of Prince Hassan's books mentioned above.

Prince Hassan was also awarded by the Abraham Geiger rabbinical seminary:

Abraham Geiger Award 2008 goes to HRH Prince Hassan bin Talal of Jordan

The Abraham Geiger Award 2008 is conferred upon HRH Prince Hassan bin Talal of Jordan, a voice for global sustainability, reconciliation and interreligious understanding. HRH will receive the 2008 Abraham Geiger Award in commemoration of the great liberal thinker of Judaism, Abraham Geiger (1810-1874). The award ceremony will be held in Berlin on March 4, 2008. Prince Hassan follows in the footsteps of Cardinal Karl Lehmann, Alfred Grosser, Emil Fackenheim and Susannah Heschel, past recipients of the Award.

Abraham Geiger stood for three eminent principles: freedom of conscience and belief, academic freedom and political freedom for all of humanity. Abraham Geiger is also considered to be the founder of modern Qur'anic Studies.

Honouring the President Emeritus of the Club of Rome follows this noble tradition and underlines Prince Hassan's courage in defending pluralism, promoting understanding among different cultures and enhancing dialogue between Jews, Muslims and Christians.

The Prince's efforts to promote understanding between the Islamic and Western Worlds are crucial at a time when we seem to be drifting apart, with perceived differences appearing to overwhelm the many things we have in common, both culturally and religiously.

Founded in 1999, the Abraham Geiger College is the first rabbinical seminary on the continent of Europe since the Shoa. It confers the Abraham Geiger Award in commemoration of a truly outstanding teacher and interpreter of Judaism.


http://www.rss.gov.jo/phassan.html

Is PrinceEl Hassan bin Talal of Jordan the Antichrist?

I personally believe the Antichrist will rise from a new independent nation called Assyria in in the Middle East,not from Jordan.

There is a great possibility that the Antichrist will be a Muslim.First because except Israel,all the nations of the Assyrian empire mentioned above are Islamic nations.
Secondly because the Antichrist will seek to change times and laws according to Daniel 7:25.

This is exactly what Islamic law requires.They want to bring the world under Shariah law.That would change the calendar form A.D. which referes to Christ to an Islamic calendar.That would also change the laws to Islamic theocracy instead of democracy.

Thirdly because the Antichrist will deny Christ and the God of the Bible (Daniel 8:25,11:36).Islam denies the God of the Bible and denies that Jesus was the Christ and the son of God.The Islamic Mosque Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem has a phrase which states:
''God is not begotten neither does he begat''.

This is a denial that God has become incarnate and that he had a son who is Jesus.
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'Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.'' (1 John 2:22)
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' And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.''(1 John 4:3)

Fourthly because he will seek to destroy the nation of Israel.No religion other than Islam seeks the destruction of Israel.The Antichrist will seek to do this very thing.

Although the Antichrist will probably have a Muslim background,he will be an apostate Muslim because he will not regard the gods of his fathers (ancient Assyrian gods and Allah,his modern god) and above Allah and every other so called god and will speak great things against the God of the Bible .(Daniel 11:36-37)

One might ask:

If the Antichrist is an Assyrian who will come from a reborn Assyrian independent state in the Middle East,then how can the Antichrist be an Assyrian Muslim if the Assyrians of today are orthodox Christians?

Let's suppose for a moment that a good number of these Assyrians are true Christians.If they are taken up to heaven during the Rapture of the Chrurch,what do we have left?

Assyrians who have no faith and who will be forced to accept Islam.This scenario will cause Assyria to appear on the geopolitical scene as a new Islamic nation in the Middle East.We know that the Antichrist will first appear as a man of peace who will even favor Israel during his rise to power on the political arena (Daniel 9:27).

He will confirm a covenant with Israel and most likely he will convince the Islamic-Arab world to accept such a covenant which will allow the Jews to have access to the Temple Mount and have a rebuilt Jewish Temple there.In the Middle of his covenant with Israel he will become a tool of Satan and will break this covenant with Israel.Then he will form an Assyrian-Arab confederacy against Israel to fulfill Psalm 83 and will cause the Islamic nations that surround Israel to persecute the Jewish nation as predicted in Zechariah 12:1-5,14:1-4,Joel 3:1-3 and many other passages.

His Empire
We saw above that the kingdom of the Antichrist will be the fourth beast of Daniel 7.The beast as in Revelation 13:1-2 ,comes out of the sea.The sea when spoken symbolically in Scriptures,is a reference to the Gentile world.This is another evidence that the Antichrist will be a Gentile.Ten kings will rise out of that empire and will be in submission to the eleventh horn who is the Antichrist.

It is believed that the 10 kings of the fourth empire of Daniel 7 will be a revival of the Roman empire.Many see the European Union as the revived form of the Roman Empire.We explain in our Great Tribulation study that inside the European Union there is another entity called ''Western European Union'' This entity has 10 member states which some believe are the 10 kings of Daniel 7 and Revelation 17:11-13.
But that might be a premature conclusion because the beast that Daniel saw was described by John as being a combination of the first three beasts of Daniel 7,namely Babylon,Medo-Persia , and Grecia.

This means that this future world empire will be a combination of Babylonian,Medo-Persian,Grecian and Roman imperialism,all of which had political power over the nation of Israel.

It may also mean that the geographical boundaries of this future empire will include areas that were dominated by the Babylonian, Medo-Persian ,Grecian, and Roman Empires in the past.If the 10 kings of Daniel 7:24 and Revelation 17:12 are not the 10 nations of Western Europe,they will be 10 regional political divisions that will cover the geographical area dominated by these former empires under the leadership of the Antichrist.These areas include all of the European continent,parts of northern Africa,Egypt ,Asia Minor where modern day Turkey is located,the Middle East,Mesopotamia which goes from Northern Iraq Southeasterly to the Persian Gulf ,the near East reaching all the way to the Indus River ,the border between India and Pakistan,and former Soviet states like Kazakhstan,Afghanistan,Turkmenistan,etc

These boundaries will bring Israel and all of the Islamic-Arab world under the dominion of this future Empire.The present geographical boundaries of the European Union might extend to a larger territory than what we see presently because the territories covered by the final stage of the Roman Empire might include characteristics of the Babylonian,Medo-Persia and Grecian Empires from a geographical point of view as seen in the symbolism of Revelation 13-1-2.

All we can do now is wait and watch to see how things will develop politically and geographically in the European Union in the coming months and years.

Jeani i enjoyed reading this. Me and you are alomst in full agreement with one another here. Few things may differ but comparing notes will be fun and interesting and really help others see womethings we are watching take place right in front of our very eyes.

Here's a chart i've recently made up speaking on this very subject. Sorry if it's big.




When you mentioned the 7 kings in Rev.17, think we're on some agreement here but this is how i see it myself...
In John's time, five are fallen;

1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Medo-Persia
5. Grecian

One is; (In John's time)

6. Rome

After John, the other is not yet come;

7. Future Revived Roman Empire.

...,and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

When we go back into Daniel and see the Image of the Beast, we see the Ten toes a mixture of Iron and Clay. The Iron being indeed the Roman Empire, by this we know that the Roman Empire is being Revived. Cause the Ten toes rises in the very endtimes.

The Roman empire had broken up and became the Western and Eastern Roman Empire. One leg then represents the Western while the other Leg represents the Eastern parts of the Empire. So we see there is a Revived Western Empire (the EU) and then there is the Revived Eastern Part of the Roman Empire, intering thing is on that one, when you take a close look at the EU's partners you see the Whole entire past Roman empire been Revived. But all of it is not Iron, but a mixture of Clay, and that alone will cause the EU to be weaken and not fully able to reach to the hieghts it did back in John's time. Also believe the Revived Roman Empire will be where the Antichrist will rise up out of. But also believe with no doubt to me, it will be an Islamic leader who many muslims believe in their coming messiah the al-Mahdi, and who we call the antichrist. Believe this is the 7th mentioned in Rev.17. But because this empire is weaken by clay it will not hold up to well. And then will the 8th Beast rise who is of the 7th. Believe this beast is satan himself and it will be the antichrist and his world system world (EU) who will give him the power.

Actually have tons to say on this very subject and on the al-Mahdi, have been studying that subject for a few years now. But will come back when i can think, lol. Really looking forward to reading through your post again. Very good.

God Bless
heaven

Heaven, I love them too...I understand things a lot better with charts! Thx for sharing them!!!

Has anyone notice that Obamaliar looks a lot like Binny boy, wouldn't you think his skin would be darker if the SR. Obama was his REAL dad, even if his mom is white.
I have a cousin married a black lady, and she is not as dark as Obamas said to be dad, and their children are the same darkness, but not the same tone, Obama skin looks more like Bin Laden..

I was looking for a link this morning, one that explains that the ac is not an Arabmic Jew, but a gentile..

I found this link I had saved, I thought the other info was with this link.... anyway, I found that this link was updated TODAY..
Read the whole page..
I read in one of my books on the Middle East that the King of Syria .. I think .. suggested that Jerusalem be a shared Capital, and that ALL Holy Places be open to ALL Faiths....

here is link

http://vaulterjohn.tripod.com/covenant.html

Hi Jeani, with everything going on here with my dad at the moment haven't had no time online. But i'm hoping later we can really get into all this and i'll reply back to your last post to me. I'm really looking forward to discussing this.

I'm looking forward to this discussion also. Heaven, know that you and your family are in my prayers.