Remnant wrote:

Jeani wrote::ame Messenger

My thoughts about what the scripture teaches about the 'falling away' is: the Rapture.

Because~

!! Thes. 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He(male gender) who now restrains (Holy Spirit) will do so until He (HS) is taken out of the way.

Let no one deceive you by any means: for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition.

The son of perdition is the very same lawlessnessone.

Jeani, Don't you think we could already be in that period of the great falling away?

for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first,

I see it as saying that the falling away must come before the rapture. Just look at what is transpiring in our churches and among those who call themselves christians.

Falling away in these scriptures is from the greek word apostasia
Meaning apostasy or defection. It also means rebellion or to forsake.

We see so much of that this day and time so it makes me believe that the falling away is already into efect and the rapture is very close.

I agree and I keep saying this, and up untill now no one has grasp, maybe its more believable coming from a Pastor.. get the rest of it in there, cuz thus far mine has been read right over , and time is to close for Christians to not see what and how its written, and by Who it was said and to who it was siad to....Matt. 24:29-39
Its the generation that sees what Yeshua is telling them in Matt. 24: 4-44 will be here , we saw Israel become headlines 1948 & 1967 and reading from Matt. 24 :4- most of those things have happen , and in our time, there is a falling way, the armies are gathering to go against Israel...
and we are seeing the way those in power are pushing for a One World Religion, when there is a One World Religion, there will be an One World Goverment, and that one will have power over the UN, and the RCC & Islam are these ones in power of the UN right now as we speak..
in the next year we could very well have full devastation as far as famine, diesase that kills more than did dieases in past times that took out thousands , there isa guy that has revived the plague, they are messing around all the time with these things.
Ever wonder now these things got their start??
I understand that that aids was started in a lab, I think the bird flu, westnile, mad cow and Sars, Mercer, and all that other junk was all started in a lad some place...err places.. ours, theirs making a nitemare
I know they were doing junk in spacecrafts, said that it grows faster in space, guess so, according to Dr. D. Russell Humphreys a creation scienist ... once you leave earth, you leave its time zone.. stands to reason then that a diease would fast grow in space..
Well, went off topic a bit there, but the truth is most all dieases were stated in labs and someone out of going nutty or for money made more of it, or removed it from the lab, either way, it was given birth in a lab.. maybe they do it on purpose to depopulate people.. don't they know this stuff will get washed into our drinking water ..
well, this is giving me a headhurt .. ....

Janet, you sound like you're in a "conspiracy theory" camp. .
I don't believe that the diseases you mentioned were created in labs. Aids started in Africa where the people did all sorts of things with monkeys who carry the aids virus. As far as the other diseases, I'd have to do more research. I feel that with the depravity of mankind, we have brought these diseases on ourselves.

Frank,

I used to think the falling away was the departure from the true word of God,but scriptures 7 and 8 changes my mind.

For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He (Holy Spirit) who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way (Rapture)

and then the lawlessone will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Now because of these scriptures I believe 3 means the Rapture.

No matter, what when the church is no longer able to do the 'great commission', I believe the Lord will come get His bride.

I'm afraid we're very close not being able to witness for the Lord,and there will be no purpose for the church.

Jeani wrote:Frank,

I used to think the falling away was the departure from the true word of God,but scriptures 7 and 8 changes my mind.

For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He (Holy Spirit) who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way (Rapture)

and then the lawlessone will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Now because of these scriptures I believe 3 means the Rapture.

No matter, what when the church is no longer able to do the 'great commission', I believe the Lord will come get His bride.

I'm afraid we're very close not being able to witness for the Lord,and there will be no purpose for the church.

Jeani, My wife and I were talking about this very thing as we sat and ate dinner on our back porch tonight. Evangelism has always been the life force of the church, but it seems in these last ten years it is about programs, social activities and the like. Less bible, and soul winning. More crowd pleasing and entertaining the troops.

Carmela wrote:Janet, you sound like you're in a "conspiracy theory" camp. .
I don't believe that the diseases you mentioned were created in labs. Aids started in Africa where the people did all sorts of things with monkeys who carry the aids virus. As far as the other diseases, I'd have to do more research. I feel that with the depravity of mankind, we have brought these diseases on ourselves.

Nope , no kinda camp, just interwisdom, along with inside information, ..I believed that line about the Green Monkey Virus too..untill I learn from those in the know that it was actually started in a Military Goverment lab, it wasn't a green monkey, though a monkey was used, it was a Chimp, because they said it more like the human..now the purpose was to find a way ti prevent Soldiers from geting Malaria, monkeys are don't get it, they studied , and thought they came up with the solution for them, I may be a bit learty of our Goverment, but I know they do experiment, and they don't just use animals, they use our Military men..I knew one guy that did it willingly, he got extra pay for doing it, yes it does happen, granted the depravity plays a big hand in it, and those who do these kind of experiments are deprived, and they will and do backfire on them, and BTW, they have gays in the Military, maybe they were the ones that were given this shot to first to see if there were side effects, and there was,, but not like they thought there would be..
Sweetheart, our Military have been doing this sorta thing since WW11, I don't think they did before that , but I could be wrong, because its easier to use your own property than to use private citizens ,but some of them have been known to do it for money, but its those that are already theirs they use..

sorry kido, its true, and what was that not to long ago was geting in the mail, that was from the Goverments lab,Honey, it just didn't find its way there, it was made there..
A lot of their experiments done with virus's they say is to use as warfare, to cripple the enemy, they give it to our military, then give them the antidote , then send them out and this stuff is used.
Sweetheart , the worse thing we are facing right now , is germ warfare, and our Military Goverment are the ones making it in labs, and so are , our enemies... and don't you know if this happens in more than one place, we are not ready, we do not have enough antidote for what they will use, we are playing caught up all the time, their ( our enemies ) labs are not used to make milkshakes, neither is our own.

You been asleep me tinks, or lived a sheltered life, I am teasing you now, but it does seem this bit of information has escaped you..
If ypou know someone who has been in the Military durning WW11 ask them, ask a VietNam Vet, my brothers are damaged from Agent Orange
I have had eight ( 8 ) brothers that served , from WW11 to Viet Nam, three were in Nam, two return home alive , but they are not well.

You mentioned research, I recommend that also, and its what I do quite a bit of,,, and I just don't listen to anyone, its best to consider the source.

Well thought to show just what I was talking about, and I stand to be corrected , well some at least, I had forgotten some of the experiments ..
I know prisoners, mental retared, Soldiers, and those that willingly do it..for money,, but forgot many of us are used...by Pharmaceuticals..we get free drugs from the Doctor, who gets them from the Pharmaceuticals to give patients, how else do we think they find out wha5t side effects they have..anyway this link will refresh your memory, I am sre you have heard of some of these things..
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/history/experiments.htm

Carmela wrote::takeup

Aids Is A Man Made Diease

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/46a.htm

elect777 wrote:

Carmela wrote::takeup

Aids Is A Man Made Diease

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/46a.htm

Janet, I am not clear on what you are saying! Are you saying aids was created in a lab?

Remnant wrote:

elect777 wrote:

Carmela wrote::takeup

Aids Is A Man Made Diease

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/46a.htm

Janet, I am not clear on what you are saying! Are you saying aids was created in a lab?

Yes, it was created in a Lab, as are most every virus we are dealing with now, basicly they were started with the intent to be used as war weapons " Germ Warfare"

I GTG now, if its okay with you, can we do this on the threat I posted.. but if it fits in here on Bible Discussions thats okay, because I do see it as being of the plagues we are having and will have worse, after they start mutating with one another, when you mess around with things like this, expect the outcome to come out on you... so to speak..

I personally know the assistant director of CDC in Atlanta, Ga. and trained him in evangelism explosion in the early eighty's and He told me that aids was a sexually transmitted disease. I am not saying that it couldn't be created in a lab, but for every theory of those that say it was, their are many other doctors and reliable Md's that states other wise.

I do know this that it is transferred and spread greatly as a result of sexual immorality!

Yes, AIDS can be contacted in many ways,and I also believe it's the result of 'sin.'

Not to say everyone has to do sin to contact the disease,but 'sin' affects everyone.

We have a man in our church who has Hepatitis C from getting a tatoo which I believe to mark your body is a sin, too.

Man is always trying to convince that 'homosexual lifestyle' and 'sex outside of marriage' is okay; however God always has the 'first' and 'last' word.

Remnant wrote:I personally know the assistant director of CDC in Atlanta, Ga. and trained him in evangelism explosion in the early eighty's and He told me that aids was a sexually transmitted disease. I am not saying that it couldn't be created in a lab, but for every theory of those that say it was, their are many other doctors and reliable Md's that states other wise.

I do know this that it is transferred and spread greatly as a result of sexual immorality!

I am happy to hear this, that the asst Dir. of CDC knows the Lord..
As for STD no debate there.
Aids is spread quickly by sex, and I think they knew this when it was made, it is also transmitted by blood, and even more now than years past through blood transfusions.
I have a Sister in Christ whose son is a bleeder, has been from birth, he would bump and bleed under his skin, he had for years got blood transfusions when needed , but for the last ten years does not, he gets plasma, and is very careful, not to get a cut,,,

I would venture to say for every MD that says it is was a Green Monkey , and somehow it jumped to humans, and humans transmitted it to others..
I have a question..err questions, if this is true, it was not lab born, but Green Monkey jumped,,
uhh How did it jump from Africa to Manhatten in the same time span??

If it JUMPED from the Green Monkey to a man , then why don't every person in Africa have aids, considering all the Green Monkeys that are there??
..and if it could JUMP from the Green Monkey, why wouldn't it have JUMPED to other Monkeys, since their DNA are closer matched than are humans??
I know aids is bad in Africa, I undersatnd this vaccine was taken there as an humane act of kindness, when it was given to de-populate, to many people, not enough food.
I also understand that HIV left alone will not turn to aids, it AFTER they are given shots for HIV they develope aids
Children have problems after given shots,, BTW, I heard that then meds they gave for Polio, some of it was tainted old..and the fhe junk they wre given was weaken down because they were shot..
How is it that they always point to babies, old fokes and people with mental defects to take these shots.. why, because their immune system is weaker, thatsis why so many get sick after taking the shots,who knows that those shots are not tainted with something, each year they give a different shot, they stay in your system right??
everyone of those shots weaken your immune system..
God made everyone with a built in immume system, but man has made things people bodies can not ward off, and so these people become breeding grounds for virus's, walking germ labs..
I know some people that give their little children mrds for a fever, they have a fever , that is a built in fighter of germs, a fever kills the germ ythat has invaded their system..but the fever is not given a chanch to fight the germ..granted if the fever gets high, then give meds a fever of 105 can fry your brain, but they will give meds to children at the slightest point...


AIDS....
The way I understand it, it was told that it was made in a Goverment Military Lab, a Monkey was used, but not a Green Monkey, but a Chimp,they said it is CLOSER to human genes , but anyway, the purpose as I was told years ago was to harvest .. well, to cross Chimp/man DNA make a cure before the germ attackis..
so our Soldiers would not get Malaria...( my brother got malaria, and it kept re-occurring ) ..
anyway thats what I heard.. I don't reember now who or where..
But I learned some years ago, its all germ warfare, made in Goverment labs, and our Soldiers are used, I know they get shots they don't always want.

Sure I understand once it is made, and given to some people there is great chanch it can be transfered, my guess is, they make sure it can, before they even give it.
I watched a man on PBS a few nights ago, who had tried different times to active the plague, he findly did it, and was happy about it
There are Christian Web Sites also that give info about the start of aids

Dr. Larrain Day has been a Medical Docor for years, and a Surgeon, I first learned of Aids and how long it can live, she told a few things that most Doctors refuse to believe and would say "THATS NOT TRUE", but a few years later , now say "THATS TRUE"..

Virus's are made in labs, and the given to people, people transmit it to others..people with a low immume system can get Aids w/o having sex..
It IS a virus, Dr. Day says it can survive up to 8hrs. on a tolite seat, and, sence it is a virus, you do not need to have broken skin to get it..

Besides geting someones blood on you, you can get it from urine on a tolite seat, or sweat, it is also in salavia, if someone with fullblown aids sneezes on you, mucus and salavia gets on you, you can get it,not saying you will, saying you can, a lot depends on your immume system .. but the quickest way is sex, blood transfusion, kissing.

.oh, forgot, you can get it real quick by geting shot by a mosquito, they can transmit aids the same way they can and do Malaria.

Taken from Phillis Schlafly " EAGLE FORUM " link

http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/vaccine/vaccine.html