I put this under Apologetics because this pastor Has been given the responsibility to preach the gospel and not to compromise his faith and calling. These few lines tell a lot about Rick Warren more than it did about the candidates.

KING: Rick Warren is our special guest. He hosted that major conclave last Saturday night, seen here on CNN. By the way, going to the break once with Obama, you leaned in and said, home run. What were you referring to? We picked it up.

WARREN: Sure. I actually said the same thing to McCain. It's just my way of saying, you're doing a good job. I thought both of them did a fantastic job. Larry, both of these men love America. They're good men. I said they're friends. They're exact opposite in their philosophy and personality. You could do a lot worse than both of these guys. I thought they both came out strong.

They played the character. They played the cast. I think America -- there's a significant number of people who are kind of in the middle. They're not red nor blue, who say, I'm not religious left, and I'm not secular left, and I'm not religious right, and I'm not secular right. I'm somewhere here in the middle. I have talked to so many people who say, I like this about Barack, but I don't like this. I like this about John, but I don't like this. I like this part of the Democratic platform, but I don't like that part. I like this part of the Republican platform, but don't like that. I'm trying to create a common ground for the common good right there in the middle. Neither of these guys are god. They're not saviors.

KING: Does that description there fit Rick Warren?

WARREN: Oh, yes, I'm right in the middle. That's why I get it from both sides. If I were just left, then all the right would attack me. If I were just right, all the left would attack me. When you're in the middle, it's kind of like the guy in the Civil War who got mixed up and he wore the blue top and the gray bottom, got shot out by both sides.

KING: The discussion discussed something you don't hear often in debates or discussions with political candidates, the word evil. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WARREN: Does evil exist? And if it does, do we ignore it, do we negotiate with it, do we contain it, do we defeat it?

OBAMA: Evil does exist. I think we see evil all the time. We see evil in Darfur. We see evil, sadly, on the streets of our cities. We see evil in parents who viciously abuse their children. And I think it has to be confronted. It has to be confronted squarely. And one of the things that I strongly believe is that, you know, we are not going to, as individuals, be able to erase evil from the world. That is god's task. But we can be soldiers in that process.

MCCAIN: Defeat it. A couple points. One, if I'm president of the United States, my friends, if I have to follow him to the gates of hell, I will get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. I will do that and I know how to do it. I will get that guy. No one -- no one should be allowed to take thousands of American -- innocent American lives. Of course evil must be defeated.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: What do you think of -- do you think he took the political route there, did Senator McCain?

WARREN: You know, Larry, here's another case where both of them made a very good point. In the first place, Barack mentioned the fact that there's evil in America, not just overseas. It's not just something out there. We do have evil in America. We have racism. We have injustice. We have poverty. We have rape, and all of the things that happen in the inner city, as well as in the suburbs. And that was a good point.

On the other hand, John was very clear that you can't negotiate with evil. You have to defeat it. Honestly, I think he was thinking not just of Obama, I think really what was on his heart too was this interest of Russia recently invading Georgia. You know, just today I got a communication from the president of Georgia, who actually watched the Saddleback Civil Forum in Georgia. And I didn't get to talk to him, but his office communicated to me that he was near tears and said, thank you so much for bringing up Georgia in the forum, because we need to ask everybody in America to pray for our country.

KING: Wow.

WARREN: We don't want to see -- the bear is back, as they're saying. The bear is back and we don't want to start seeing satellite states again all over the borders of Russia.

KING: Well, Rick Warren has told us how he thinks the candidates did. We'll ask him to rate his own performance after this.

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KING: A couple other things, Rick; how did you do?

WARREN: Well, Larry, I'll leave that to the people and the pundits. I certainly had a good time. I'm not going to leave my day job. I'm a pastor. If I could provide a service in this particular case -- and I wanted to showcase how you could do this civilly with people of both kinds of politics. I actually had a Bible verse in my pocket the entire time. It's Verse Samuel, Chapter Seven, where David says, "who I am, lord, and who is my family that you have brought me this far? You know who I am and it is your will and your word that has brought me to this success."

And so I was humbled that I was able to play a part in what is a historic time in America. We've got to choose the next president.

Complete Transcripts here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... kl.01.html

Frank,

Warren stated: yes, I'm right in the middle. That's why I get it from both sides

Rick Warren represents the "Laodiacea Church' in Revelation 3:14.

Middle is 'lukewarm.'

I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.

So then, because you are lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

Our churches are moving toward accepting 'many' ways to receive heaven; whereas, the only way to heaven is through Christ.

Before the Rapture, I believe the 'true church' will be persecuted.

Jesus said in Matthew 5~ Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake.

Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Jesus said in John:If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.

If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

Remember the word that I said to you. A servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also.

But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me.

Jesus was speaking to the 'believers in Christ' before He went to the cross, but these scriptures can apply to us, too.

In 2 Timothy, we know in the 'Last Days' perilous times will come.

Paul told the church: Yes, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.

Apostates depart from the faith, but not from the outward profession of Christianity.

This is what I'm seeing in most of our churches today, and yes, they will not be persecuted as the true church.

Rick Warren said:

If I were just left, then all the right would attack me. If I were just right, all the left would attack me. When you're in the middle, it's kind of like the guy in the Civil War who got mixed up and he wore the blue top and the gray bottom, got shot out by both sides.

Rapture gives only one ticket for only one way~not the middle.


That's why God takes His true church out in the Rapture.

Yep, Warren is walking that old fence. . . not committed to either side.

Carmela wrote:Yep, Warren is walking that old fence. . . not committed to either side.

Can a Soldier be a closet Soldier and be affective?? No

Can Rick Warren be a closet Christian and be productive? No

A Soldier would be a disgrace to the uniform

Rick Warren is a disgrace to the Christian uniform, because he is wearing his armor on his backside..
nope , on second thought , he has no armor on, he doesn't wear it so he can excuse himself for not fighting the enemy, and at the same time showing the enemy he is no threat to them.. so they fear him not, and we need him not, he is just out there in the way, of no good help or threat to either side..
Do we ignore him, or floor him