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I was reading in the politics forum and maybe this belongs there, but it is not really political. But I want to ask....

It seems most everyone, at least the vast majority, are just dead set on 2 political parties, like no others exist. The media gives coverage to no others. Most political chit chat, including here, is about Democrats and Republicans. The talk is not about voting for the best candidate, but the least offensive one that can beat the biggest stinkeroo. I just cringe, when I hear people say that you have to vote against Obama by voting for McCain, because he is not as bad.

What if there were a candidate that did not condone same sex marriage?
What if a third party candidate abhored abortion?
What if this 3rd party candidate would uphold the constitution? Protect the border?
What if, point for point, this 3rd party candidate agreed with you? and Scripture?

He could not possibly win, because most people want a dem or rep. He would not be very popular. The media would not acknowlege him. You can not vote against 2 people in order to get the 3rd elected.

But, what if....His name was Jesus? Knowing Jesus could not get elected, would you still vote for the less evil of the other two? I wanted to do a poll, but I don't want to know the answer.

My point is that, there ARE other candidates that I can vote for with clear conscience. I leave the outcome to God. I can not condone voting for the lesser evil.

There, I've said it.

Jan

I wont be voting either Jan. I just cant do it. I voted for Bush both times but Im going to stick this one out. Im not helping Obama win like this either I dont believe. He would never get my vote no matter what. I also dont believe Jesus would ever win the nomination either. Not with this evil, sinful world. Everything will go the way God wants it to anyway and I would vote for Jesus!!!

I've considered doing what you all will be doing……not voting. But then I believe that if I don't vote, then I don't care if Obama wins. However, I DO CARE. I don't want him in and the only way I can do it is to vote McCain and cancel at least one vote for Obama.

I know this is a feeble reason, but to me it is stronger than not voting at all. McCain is from a military family and while he may be more liberal than we conservatives like, he is patriotic. When given the opportunity to be freed when he was a POW, he chose to stay if his men didn't get freed also. He stayed, I believe it was, 18 additional months, because the Vietcong would not release all the other men imprisoned with him. He stuck with his men. He was honorable. And he didn't have to be. No one would have faulted him for it.

I cringe when I think of Obama involved in foreign affairs. I don't have the same qualms about McCain.

Obama has no such feelings of patriotism for the USA. His fealty is to the Muslim religion. My recent memory is the picture of him not honoring our American flag. I will be horrified if America votes him in as president. If that happens, he will be the second recent president that has gotten in that I personally do/did not recognize as 'my' president. Clinton was the first. I couldn't even stand to hear him speak.

In the long and the short of it, the man will be there that God allows to be there. I will accept that knowing that God is setting the stage for His coming after all!

I pray I've not offended anyone by my comments, because we are all free to do as we will at the polls. How we vote is between God and us. You are my dear sisters in Christ and soon (that blessed HOPE!) we will be together in Glory forever!!!!!

Songbird....no offense here whatsoever!!! I cant take offense especially to a brother or sister in Christ!! I have a question though...Im 30 and kinda dumb with the political world, so I dont really know all the rules to voting.

You said:

cancel at least one vote for Obama.

Im a little confused. If I dont vote, then my vote doesnt go anywhere right? Sorry and yes, Im being so serious!! hehe Told ya, kinda completely ignorant when it comes to the political stuff.

McCain is a strong patriotic American. He is pro-life and pro-America. Obama is an unknown entity who is not pro-America nor pro-life. He will surely be the worst thing that has ever happened to this country if elected president. We are to prayerfully vote because we are blessed to still live in a free country where we CAN vote without fear of being shot at the polls or not allowed to vote at all. Praise God that we, through prayer, put leaders into place according to the Lord's will.

JanMac wrote:I was reading in the politics forum and maybe this belongs there, but it is not really political. But I want to ask....

It seems most everyone, at least the vast majority, are just dead set on 2 political parties, like no others exist. The media gives coverage to no others. Most political chit chat, including here, is about Democrats and Republicans. The talk is not about voting for the best candidate, but the least offensive one that can beat the biggest stinkeroo. I just cringe, when I hear people say that you have to vote against Obama by voting for McCain, because he is not as bad.

What if there were a candidate that did not condone same sex marriage?
What if a third party candidate abhored abortion?
What if this 3rd party candidate would uphold the constitution? Protect the border?
What if, point for point, this 3rd party candidate agreed with you? and Scripture?

He could not possibly win, because most people want a dem or rep. He would not be very popular. The media would not acknowlege him. You can not vote against 2 people in order to get the 3rd elected.

But, what if....His name was Jesus? Knowing Jesus could not get elected, would you still vote for the less evil of the other two? I wanted to do a poll, but I don't want to know the answer.

My point is that, there ARE other candidates that I can vote for with clear conscience. I leave the outcome to God. I can not condone voting for the lesser evil.

There, I've said it.

Jan

Jan, Unfortunately we do not have a third party candidate that can change the vote. If we do not vote for McCain. Obama gets the presidency.

I don't even know if their are any other candidates that I would vote for anyway.

People have regretted voting for Bush and I do not agree with some of the things he has done and said. Do I regret voting for him in the last two elections. No! My conscious is clear. Based on the evidence and our choices, To me it was a no brainer.

The same thing holds true about Obama and McCain. To me it is a no brainer!

songbird wrote:I've considered doing what you all will be doing……not voting. But then I believe that if I don't vote, then I don't care if Obama wins. However, I DO CARE. I don't want him in and the only way I can do it is to vote McCain and cancel at least one vote for Obama.

I know this is a feeble reason, but to me it is stronger than not voting at all. McCain is from a military family and while he may be more liberal than we conservatives like, he is patriotic. When given the opportunity to be freed when he was a POW, he chose to stay if his men didn't get freed also. He stayed, I believe it was, 18 additional months, because the Vietcong would not release all the other men imprisoned with him. He stuck with his men. He was honorable. And he didn't have to be. No one would have faulted him for it.

I cringe when I think of Obama involved in foreign affairs. I don't have the same qualms about McCain.

Obama has no such feelings of patriotism for the USA. His fealty is to the Muslim religion. My recent memory is the picture of him not honoring our American flag. I will be horrified if America votes him in as president. If that happens, he will be the second recent president that has gotten in that I personally do/did not recognize as 'my' president. Clinton was the first. I couldn't even stand to hear him speak.

In the long and the short of it, the man will be there that God allows to be there. I will accept that knowing that God is setting the stage for His coming after all!

I pray I've not offended anyone by my comments, because we are all free to do as we will at the polls. How we vote is between God and us. You are my dear sisters in Christ and soon (that blessed HOPE!) we will be together in Glory forever!!!!!

You got it right "Birde Birdie"

The reasons we are where we are, is to many Christians have been mis-informed, less of them vote, where we are shows they not voting, and the more that stay home on election day, just makes satans day, he is about clapping his hands and dancing a jig, he knows the less Christians vote, the more likely he will have those in office doing his bidding, for only non-believers will be voting, and they vote money and dishonor, Christians vote morals and duty out of love for God and their Countrymen.
If the goverment see that more and more Christrians fail to arise to the call of selecting into office men of morals, they will soon deside since it no longer looks like Christians care anymore who gets in, they can forget nominating men with morals for the Primaries, most likely they won't even select to have an Election, what need would there be, only those left to vote would be those with the same mindset they have.
I condsider it a right to vote, my duty and a honor to still be living in a Nation where we still have that right, and as long as we do, I shall vote, doing all I can do to hang on to our God given rights, that America will remain a Christian Nation, and Old Glory waves over our Nations Captial, and as long as we remain free, we will remain a nation known to be a Natioin under God, and where Christ Yeshau ONLY is KING..
When Christians sit at home, they turn it over to barbaric people, tyrants, who have no fear of God, no love for life, and mock God , on Whom was this Nation founded, and by Christians, who writ our laws and Constitions, based on the Holy Word of God ,
No, when they do not see Christians vote, they know they won, they know we no longer care, or that is the impression they will have, and with good cause, if we still care Whose Nation we are, if we still care, we will be there..
I think of all the blood that has been poured upon this ground, and lands around the world to protect, preserve, and secure for us all this time, and to throw up my hands in surrender, no, I will not tarnish, nor dishonor those man.. and women , and moreover, God bought the Church here with a purpose, it was to establish a Christian nation, and Yeshua the King.
It is our duty to vote, not only do we insult and dishonor those who formed this nation, and has for years, with the blessings and favor of God preserved our freedoms, but we are also dishonoring God, who bought it all about. America is a Christian Nation, because Christians founded it, and again, it was on His Holy Word it was founded, we have a Christian Heritage .
When there is no longer enough Christians voting , our foundation will be uprooted, and a pagan one layed, and that pagan islamic one can not be layed, untill the former is unrooted, and Christians siting on their hands on election day, will put chains on our feet.

You got that right, Janet. . .well said!!

After seeing the debate last night, listening to Fox News, and reading articles, I will definitely vote for McClain, and feel good about it.

Israel is calling on the American Jews to vote for McClain because their freedom is hanging on by a thread, and as Christians, we're to support Israel.

Georgia, Russia is depended on an American president who will help them, and the other Russia democratic states.

Their freedom is depended on our missile defense being put in Poland.

Obama wants to disarm our military, missiles, and our missile defense.

Obama will not help Israel or these states in Russia.

Obama wants to take what he consider the rich ($250,000 or $150,000), and give our money to the poor.

He wants to make us pay for 'universal health care' which I can assure you DOES NOT WORK NOW!

We will be voting on Supreme Justices, and Obama will be sure to put in the most liberal judges.


He wants to promote alternate lifestyles.

If you vote for Obama or don't vote for him, and he wins president, our government is control by a Democrat president and Democrat congress.

What about all of the babies that Obama wants to die in abortions, and abortions going array.

It's a no brainer for me: I will vote for McClain and feel very good about it.

We have freedom to vote now, and tomorrow may change.

Christy wrote:Songbird....no offense here whatsoever!!! I cant take offense especially to a brother or sister in Christ!! I have a question though...Im 30 and kinda dumb with the political world, so I dont really know all the rules to voting.

You said:

cancel at least one vote for Obama.

Im a little confused. If I dont vote, then my vote doesnt go anywhere right? Sorry and yes, Im being so serious!! hehe Told ya, kinda completely ignorant when it comes to the political stuff.

Hello Christy, you young thing you!!!! Heee!

Guess I've been around longer than you, but I, too, am still a bit green when it comes to politics!

Christy, you are right about if you don't vote your vote will go nowhere. Look at it this way. As opposed to you there is a democrat that is going to vote. Her vote will be counted. Yours won't. If you do vote, you cancel her vote (that is if you vote for McCain). The person who wins is the one with the most votes OVER the tied/equal number of votes. In this example there is 0 to 0 because one on each side voted. More votes are needed to determine the outcome. Whichever side has the most to vote obviously wins.

Say Obama gets 100 votes and McCain gets 50. Obama wins with the 50 votes because his first fifty were canceled out by the 50 republican voters. He has won by the 50 votes that didn't get cancelled out.

So, if you don't go to the polls to vote for McCain, Obama is getting one more vote that isn't cancelled. If 5,000 conservative Christians don't go to the polls to vote for McCain, that will be 5,000 democratic votes for Obama that aren't cancelled out.

I'm certainly hoping that democrats cross the voting line and vote for the man……that they are smart enough to see that Obama won't be good for our nation……that he is not God's man!

As Children of God, can we truly be passive in this? Remnant, Carmela, Jeani, and Elect777 have given us very good posts. I say pray about it and you will find that our Father in Heaven is intensely interested in who gets the presidency.

I'm hoping and praying that we conservative Christians don't get discouraged enough to not go to the polls to vote.

Hehe..thanks for letting me know that. All this political stuff makes my brain go numb quite a bit.

I may go out and vote just to say that I dont want Obama in and if McCain is going to support Israel, then that will be my reason for voting.

I AM voting. It is my right, my duty to vote. Because I will not vote McCain or Obama, why is it assumed that I won't vote? Because I do not support the Republican or Democratic platforms, why is it assumed I won't vote?

Unfortunately we do not have a third party candidate that can change the vote.

Apparently, if Jesus were in the running, He would lose because He is not popular enough to change the outcome, not a dem or rep. There is no 3rd party candidate who can change the vote because no one really wants change. All it takes is a vote for principal, instead of popularity. The people want a Democrat or a Republican, because that is what the media offers. My mother used to say: "If everyone were jumping off a cliff would you do it too? just because everyone else was doing it? Where are your principals? Where are your morals?"

I reflect my principals and my morals in my vote. That means voting for Jesus, even if He couldn't win.

This is the platform of the party I support. It's unpopular, it's not Dem. or Rep:

1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
4. Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
6. States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government is reserved for the state and local jurisdictions;
7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.

Jan