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Prominent Abortionist Admits Abortion 'Cancels' Souls
By Alexander J. Sheffrin
Christian Post Reporter
Wed, Jul. 09 2008 08:55 AM EDT

Dr. William Harrison, notable for being Hillary Clinton’s former OB-GYN as well as for performing over 20,000 abortions, has admitted in recent a e-mail exchange with a prominent Christian psychologist that abortion “cancels” a human soul.

“Anyone who has delivered as many babies as I have, and has seen hundreds of living and dead embryos and fetuses being spontaneously aborted as have I, knows exactly what we are doing when we provide an elective abortion for our patient. We are ending the life of an embryo or a fetus,” Harrison wrote in an e-mail to Dr. Warren Throckmorton, associate professor of Psychology at Grove City College in Pennsylvania.

“Physicians who save wanted babies from being spontaneously aborted (and we can save a few now that God once seemed determined to abort), and we who cancel ‘luckless human souls’ are doing God’s work,” he concluded.

Throckmorton – who wrote to Harrison last week after the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that South Dakota can begin enforcing a law requiring doctors to tell women seeking abortions that the procedure terminates a human life – said he e-mailed Harrison to gather his opinion on whether or not he believed abortion was an act that takes the life of another person.

On his blog, Throckmorton said that Harrison’s remarks were very revealing.

“Hillary Clinton’s former OB-GYN and abortionist William Harrison admits that abortion kills a human soul. He euphemizes the language a bit but the effect is chilling by saying he is doing ’God’s work,’” he said.

Throckmorton added that though surprising, the remarks would undoubtedly strengthen the arguments used in the South Dakota legislation that assert abortion results in the loss of human life.

“I was surprised [Harrison] would admit this in the context of the new South Dakota law but here he is acknowledging that abortionists cancel innocent human life,” Throckmorton wrote in an e-mail.


The ruling last month on the law passed by the 2005 South Dakota Legislature which requires abortion practitioners in the state to inform women that the procedure “will terminate the life of a whole, separate, unique, living human being,” sends the case back to U.S. District Judge Karen Schreier of Rapid City to determine whether the law is constitutional.

At center of the debate was whether or not abortion could be considered murder. According to pro-choice supporters, requiring abortion practitioners to inform women that abortion destroys life could be a violation of their first amendment rights to free speech.

However, it would seem that the “abortion doesn’t kill” argument falls flat with Harrison’s latest remarks.

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20 ... -souls.htm

“Physicians who save wanted babies from being spontaneously aborted (and we can save a few now that God once seemed determined to abort), and we who cancel ‘luckless human souls’ are doing God’s work,” he concluded.

. . . . . . . . . .WHAT!!!! Oh, I wouldn't want to be him on judgement day!!

I don't think it's a woman's right to abort a separate human being.

They change the terminology of a baby to fetus which I can't stand to hear.

An abortion should not be the woman's right to terminate unless it's the endangerment of her life.

God will hold this nation accountable for killing innocent babies.
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Lev. 20
Again, you shall say to the children of Israel: Whoever of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dewll in Israel, who gives any of his descendants to Molech (their false god), he shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones.
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I will set My face against that man, and will cut him off from his people, because he has given some of his descendants to Molech, to delife My sanctuary and profane My holy name.
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Today a babies' most danger place in this world is in the womb.

When will society realize that it's murder, and they are making the doctors with the clinics RICH!
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Now Mary arose in those days and went into the hill country with haste, to a city of Judah.
and entered the house of Zacharias and greeted Elizabeth.

and it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filed with the Holy Spirit.

Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, "blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! Luke 1:39-

These scriptures tells me that 'John the Baptist, (Elizabeth's baby)' leaped in her womb when Elizabeth saw Mary with 'Jesus' in her womb.

The baby was very much alive, and not a group of cells.

The baby 'knew' Jesus.

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Isaiah 44

God chose and formed Israel in the womb.
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Jeremiah 1:5
Before I (God) formed you (Jeremiah) in the womb I knew you;
Before you were born I sanctified you;
I ordained you a prophet to the nations.
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Exodus 21: 22-
If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman's husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life.

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God is very serious about harming a baby, and I feel He's disciplining us everyday for allowing abortions.

Now if a woman has had an abortion, she can ask for forgiveness, and God will forgive her.

Just think, all of these aborted babies are in heaven today.

I will probably start a firestorm here, but a soul does not havelife until it breathes.
When God created Adam He breathed the breath of life into him, and with each of us it is the same.
We do not have life until God breathes it into us.
Now, having said that I will also say I do not believe abortion is the right thing to do.
Abstinance works much better.
Also once a fetus reaches a point that it can sustain life outside the womb, it most certainly should not be aborted.
Again, let me stress that I do not condone abortion.
A long time ago I did a study on this subject, and found that the Jews see the loss of an unborn baby quiet differently, and that difference is in scripture, but I don't remember just where at the moment.
And before you even ask, no, I have not had an abortion. I have had one pregnancy and he is alive and well, and has four children of his own, which makes me a very happy grandmother.

I do not mean to be screaming with the enlarged letters, so please do not take it that way.

Joi, You said:

I will probably start a firestorm here, but a soul does not havelife until it breathes.

Why do you think there would be a firestorm?

I am interested in your thoughts on this! Do you thing abortion is murder? I know you say you do not condone abortion!

Why, if it is not a life then it is not murder, so why would it be wrong?

You also said:

Also once a fetus reaches a point that it can sustain life outside the womb, it most certainly should not be aborted.

At what point would that be. Does that not vary with each case. I have heard of man.

Here is a story of a primature baby at 10 oz. that lived.
Doctors in Miami are delaying the release of the world's most-premature baby, saying she will stay in hospital a few more days for checks.
They had earlier said Amillia Taylor would be allowed to go home on Tuesday.

Amillia is believed to be the first baby to have survived following a gestation period of less than 22 weeks.

She weighed a mere 10 ounces (284 grams) at birth on 24 October. Babies under 14 ounces were thought to stand no chance of survival.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6377639.stm

Whether or not I could breath, My Lord knew me before the foundations of the world, He also said He knew or saw me in my Mothers womb. So I think I was a person before the foundations of the world in God's sight.

I also think abortion is murder. I don't have any Bible scriptures to go on, it is just my heart feeling. Women miscarries, that is a natural happening for some reason we don't know, but it is not abortion, but I think God knows those souls also.

When I get to heaven, I hope I can work in the nurshery and comfort those babies who have not had the chance of loving arms to hold them and a soft voice to sing to them. ( hoping I can sing then of course)

Just my thoughts of abortion and stuff.

Why a firestorm? Because most people do not see this matter as I do.

No, I do not think abortion is murder, even so I do not condone it, as I said before. You can not murder one who is not breathing, and there is no breath in the womb. There is genetic response in the womb.

I am not arguing right or wrong Frank, and I did not say that I am, nor am I trying to get anyone to agree with me.

Yes, life would vary with each case, depending on when God breathes life into one.

I hope that 10 oz. child lives and comes to know Christ as her saviour. It is God how gave her breath so that she might survive an early birth.

Why then do I think abortion is wrong, would be your question, would it not?

It is God who gives/allows us the ability to conceive, so we should honor that ability by bringing
that child into this world.

If one is never born, but aborted, that might have been a soul who would have come to know Christ as Saviour, and aborting that zygote/embryo/fetus would stop gap that possibility.

God knew in eternity past who would be aborted and who would live. And He saw us in our mother's womb, and knew that we would be a person, and whether or not we would love Him.

I'm sorry, but I disagree with love on this statement.

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When God created Adam He breathed the breath of life into him, and with each of us it is the same.
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God's breathing the breath of life into man (Adam) transormed his form into a living being. A soul.

This made man (Adam) a 'spiritual being', with a capacity for serving and fellowshiping with God.

Since the Fall of man, regeneration by the 'inbreathing' of the HS is essential in order for people to enjoy fellowship with God.

In breathing meant spiritual fellowship--not being borne!

Before the foundations of the earth, God knew me!

God is the giver and taker of life, and He does not give man the right to take life.

It's murder!

Since you consider abortion murder, how do you view women who have had a hysterectomy? Not one whose health called for it, but elective surgery?

They can no longer have children, so how do you view them? Are they murderers because they have removed the possibility of getting pregnant?

First, Let me say that most evangelical Christians do believe that abortion is murder based on scripture. I respect your opinion Joi, but based on scripture and medical evidence, Life does begin at conception.

You said:

It is God who gives/allows us the ability to conceive, so we should honor that ability by bringing
that child into this world.

If that is the case then birth control pills of any kind. A vasectomy, A hysterectomy etc. is interfering with what God has put in order for life.

You said you do not believe abortion is murder!

Consider this:

In reference to pregnant women, the term "with child" occurs twenty-six times in the Bible. The term "with fetus" never occurs once.

In Luke chapter one, verses 36 and 41, we are told that Elisabeth conceived a "son" and that the "babe" leaped in her womb. God does not say that a "fetus" leaped in her womb! He says THE BABE leaped. This is the exact same word that God uses to describe Christ in the manger AFTER He is born (Luke 2:12, 16). In God eyes, an unborn babe and a newborn babe are the same. They are both living human beings!

What is an "infant?" Get the answer in your mind and keep it there for a moment. Do you have it? Okay, please consider Job 3:16: "Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light." Job referred to unborn children as INFANTS. Not fetuses! Not masses of tissue! INFANTS! In God's eyes, an unborn child is a living human baby. God never says once that an unborn child is anything less than a human being.

David said in Psalm 51:5, "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." He did not say that a fetus was shapen in iniquity and conceived in iniquity. David, speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said that HE was conceived. David, not a blob of tissue, was conceived.

The same is the case in Psalm 139:13-16:

"For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them."

Who was in the womb? David! A literal and living person. The Bible never uses anything less than human terms to describe the unborn.

Notice that in Jeremiah 1:5 we are told that God KNEW Jeremiah:"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

To further confirm the fact that God views the unborn child as a person, please consider Exodus 21:22-23:

"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,"

If the woman has a premature birth and the child lives ("no mischief follows"), then there's no death penalty. However, if the child dies (or the woman dies) God says the death penalty applies: "thou shalt give life for life." Why would God require the death penalty if He didn't consider the unborn child to be a human being?

Like it or not, God says that life begins at conception, and the unborn child is a human being.

But the Bible isn't alone in declaring this truth. Science also declares that an unborn child is just as much an independent human being as you. The original human cell consists of 46 chromosomes, 23 from each parent. At no point during pregnancy does the mother contribute any new cells to the child. The original cell divides itself and multiplies to provide development and growth for the child. Scientifically speaking, the child is just as independent at six months before birth as he will be six months after birth. Yes, the mother does provide nourishment to the unborn child, but she also provides nourishment to the newborn child!

At two weeks pregnancy, the "fetus" can move alone. By four weeks the child has limbs, muscle tissue, a heart and heartbeat. Ears, eyes, and small hands are visible by the fifth week. The child responds to touch sensations by the sixth or seventh week. At eight weeks, the baby sometimes tries to take a breath when removed from the mother. At twelve weeks, the child will often struggle for life two or three hours when removed from the mother.

Here is a short video on Life begins at conception:

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Frank, I am not trying to promote the way I view this subject, so I will say this and be done with it;

When we are born we come complete with a sin nature - one sin nature.
If there is life in the womb that means there are two sin natures in a woman at once, and to be truthful, I do not think she could live through such an experience.

Joi, Have you conscidered what I posted?

You said:

When we are born we come complete with a sin nature - one sin nature.

Correct! So according to scripture and medical evidence life begins at conception and we are born into sin. That is why Jesus said, you must be born again!

I believe life begins at conception, the seed exists..

I do not believe conception can happen, unless God allows, because I think as He did in times past, He opens or closes the womb, He still does today as well .

I had a pamplet on the whole growing of the baby from conception to birth, the nerves ( Being able to feel the pain as they are being murdered ) heartbeat etc. but since moving I have yet to find a lot of things


I know not one abortion has been done, was to save the life of the mother..

The whole process take three days to abort, if its done in an emergency to save the life of the mother, it would need be done that day, not three days later..

Petemoss is used to exspand the crevix and the next day it is removed and then the same process is done again, untill the cervix is exspanded wide enough to reach in a nd turn the baby back around to pull them out by their little feet and leave their little head in and stab the baby in the back of the neck and suck their little brains out

There have been many mothers that have given breechbirth, because of the danger of turning the baby, it could cause death to the baby, and also death of the mother , by turning the baby, the
truma ( stress ) could cause instant death to both mother and baby..

I know some that gave birth this way, to save their life as well as the babys.

EXD. 21:22 If two men be fighting, and the one cause the others wife to abort, and the baby live, the father of the baby can choose the punishment, but if the baby dies, so did that man that cause the baby to abort and die

I am a Right To Life Supporter

PSALMS 139:13-16

Heb. 7:10

Ruth 4:13

Gen. 25:21


The baby is a separate life form the mother, unless she is abnormal, having 4 eyes,
two hearts,
4 lungs
4 ears etc
and if a baby boy...

Well this is just my take on;
Life -V- Abortion based on my understanding of the Bible.
I do not unlove anyone with a different opinioin.

I love you Joi, and
whoever else believes differently and W/OX Too