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Greetings to our Mormon friends. This question caught my eye:

And while we're on the topic, do you go around telling Catholics they shouldn't pray to Mary?

I have to answer "yes". We are forbidden to communicate with the dead. (Duet. 18:10-12)

BYU.David wrote:

Remnant wrote:You also do not believe that Jesus is God!

Remnant, did I not just paraphrase John 1 where it says that the Verb (Jesus) was God and was then made incarnate, dwelling among us? We believe that Jesus is God.

Remnant wrote:David, Have you ever been born again?

Yes indeed, in the same way Jesus instructs Nicodemus in John chapter 3; born from above by faith and the Holy Ghost. I have received Jesus and have faith in Him as my only Savior and Redeemer.

I will do some reading. I appreciate the kindness.

David, Mormons do not believe that Jesus is God. You said yourself that you do not adhere to the trinity Doctrine. The Mormon church views Jesus and Satan as spirit brothers and sons of God. That is not truth for Satan is a created fallen angel that is full of evil. God put forth His plan of salvation for the world, and Satan proposed his own plan. Jesus accepted the Father's plan and offered to implement it as the Savior. The Father chose Jesus, and Jesus was given a body through the virgin Mary. He was crucified on a Roman cross, and rose from the dead three days later to establish His deity. The Christian church teaches that Jesus Christ has existed eternally as the Son of God, the second "person" of the Trinity. Jesus took on human flesh about 2000 years ago and was born into the world through the virgin Mary. He was crucified on a Roman cross for our sins, and rose from the dead three days later to establish His deity. He was fully man, yet fully God incarnate. Over and over Jesus speaks of His diety. He said I and the Father are one.! He said if you see me, you have seen the Father! And on and on!

David, If you have been born again according to scripture then there came a time when The Holy Spirit came into your life after repentance and belief on the Lord Jesus Christ. That is done by the work of the Holy Spirit. Mormons believe that they are saved through works and they can become perfect. They also believe that everyone will eventually be saved. That is not true, for everyone who rejects Jesus as there Lord and Savior must believe on Him. John 3:16-19

Romans 10:9 Says you must confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that He was raised from the dead. Ephesians 2:8,9 Says: For by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourself, it is a gift from God.

Mormons believe that the Mormon church is the only true church and that Joseph Smith was a prophet. The Mormon church uses two sources as its primary authorities: the Book of Mormon and the Bible. The Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price are also viewed as divinely authoritative. The Christian church uses the Holy Bible alone as its authority from God. Joseph Smith is not recognized as a prophet.

The Mormon church maintains that although there is temporary punishment for those that are most wicked, Jesus Christ will establish a new kingdom that will consist of three levels: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, and the telestrial kingdom. The Christian church holds that there are only two possible fates after death, heaven or hell. These locations are final, both physically and spiritually.

If you have not been taught this, either the elders or those you call prophets havent got around to it or you are a fairly new convert. I have a feeling you have been brought up in the LDS Church. If that is the case then it is going to be awfully hard for you to see the truth. You are young and hopefully and prayerfully you will gleen something from this site.

Normally, I would shut this down, but feel in my spirit that you are searching for the truth. May you find it In Christ Jesus and the word of God and not man.

Thank you Libby for that post! It is clear and obvious that Christianity and Mormonism are definitely different.

I won't respond to all the things in the last few posts (due to time constraints, the fact that they look copy+pasted from an anti-Mormon website, and 5 minutes of actual research would show that a lot of them are either false or being misconstrued--and the fact you have not done that research leads me to believe that you are not in search of posting just or true things as disciples of Christ would do, but rather present your own biased and prejudiced opinion on "what Mormons believe").

However, one of them bothers me in particular (because I've already responded to it here, and it shows that you aren't reading what I am typing):

Remnant wrote: Mormons believe that they are saved through works and they can become perfect. They also believe that everyone will eventually be saved. That is not true, for everyone who rejects Jesus as there Lord and Savior must believe on Him. John 3:16-19

Romans 10:9 Says you must confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that He was raised from the dead. Ephesians 2:8,9 Says: For by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourself, it is a gift from God.

For being such experts on Mormon doctrine that you and Jeani feel capable of stating things in "Mormons believe" terms, you both get quite a few things 100% wrong.

Let me do the "Mormons believe" wording, thanks.

Mormons believe that we are saved in and through the grace of Jesus Christ and in no other way. The Book of Mormon says (2 Nephi 25:23) "FOR WE KNOW THAT IT IS BY GRACE THAT WE ARE SAVED, AFTER ALL WE CAN DO".

Romans 5:1-2 says essentially the same thing, "being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: by whom also we have access by faith into this grace..." Christ willingly extends grace to all people; faith is required to access it (in order to become born again, feel the Holy Ghost, be baptized, obey the commandments, and so forth). James says in chapter 2 that faith without works is dead, and that we partially show our faith through our works. Therefore, to be justified by faith, we must have some works. However, to say that we need to be justified by faith IS NOT THE SAME THING as saying that we are saved by works.

Let it be known that Mormons do not believe that they are saved by works, but by the grace of Christ.

David, If you would take a Bible and not the Book of Mormon, then you might find the error of your doctrine of salvation. If you are going to post scripture on this board then please use the bible and not the book of Mormon. That will not be accepted or allowed. I can and if need be post what Mormons believe from there own mouths and if you watched the video, you would see these are from the Mormon teaching.

I hope that you have had time to read all on here that has been posted about the cult of Mormonism.

One of the biggest errors of the Mormon teaching is that Jesus is not deity. In order to be saved, then one must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is to believe He is who He said He is and that is God.

Remnant wrote:David, If you would take a Bible and not the Book of Mormon, then you might find the error of your doctrine of salvation. If you are going to post scripture on this board then please use the bible and not the book of Mormon. That will not be accepted or allowed. I can and if need be post what Mormons believe from there own mouths and if you watched the video, you would see these are from the Mormon teaching.

I hope that you have had time to read all on here that has been posted about the cult of Mormonism.

One of the biggest errors of the Mormon teaching is that Jesus is not deity. In order to be saved, then one must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is to believe He is who He said He is and that is God.

So true Frank,

The error of most people is not knowing who Jesus Christ and why He had to be God.

In Adam all sinned....in his seed....all born after Adam have that nature...the sin nature.

Humankind was doomed....dead...hoplessly corrupted.

That nature cannot be reformed....it is rotten....even our best efforts are as filthy rags.

The law was given by God to show it is impossible to be righteous. We all fall short of the glory of God.

But the promise was given before to Abraham.

Promise is grace. Law is works.

The priesthood and sacrifices were given until the promise came of the seed of the woman...

The wages of sin is death...that is God's law....he can't change it. And we can't reverse it.

So He had to come Himself....under His on Law and die for us....actually He didn't have to... but in His love....His grace...His mercy He became flesh....and only through His blood are we redeemed....reconciled....to God

Amazing Grace!!! how can it be...that thou my God shouldst die for me.

All and I emphasize all other religions teach that Man can in and of himself through his own works can be accepted by God.

Many other religions teach that man can become God..including Mormonism...that is its goal, its destiny...to become like Jesus...a god.

But only Christianity teaches that God became man....to save,to rescue man from his own destruction.

If Jesus Christ is NOT God...then we have NO hope .... none.....

And if He is....our worship belong only to Him



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LdyinChrist wrote:

Remnant wrote:David, If you would take a Bible and not the Book of Mormon, then you might find the error of your doctrine of salvation. If you are going to post scripture on this board then please use the bible and not the book of Mormon. That will not be accepted or allowed. I can and if need be post what Mormons believe from there own mouths and if you watched the video, you would see these are from the Mormon teaching.

I hope that you have had time to read all on here that has been posted about the cult of Mormonism.

One of the biggest errors of the Mormon teaching is that Jesus is not deity. In order to be saved, then one must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is to believe He is who He said He is and that is God.

So true Frank,

The error of most people is not knowing who Jesus Christ and why He had to be God.

In Adam all sinned....in his seed....all born after Adam have that nature...the sin nature.

Humankind was doomed....dead...hoplessly corrupted.

That nature cannot be reformed....it is rotten....even our best efforts are as filthy rags.

The law was given by God to show it is impossible to be righteous. We all fall short of the glory of God.

But the promise was given before to Abraham.

Promise is grace. Law is works.

The priesthood and sacrifices were given until the promise came of the seed of the woman...

The wages of sin is death...that is God's law....he can't change it. And we can't reverse it.

So He had to come Himself....under His on Law and die for us....actually He didn't have to... but in His love....His grace...His mercy He became flesh....and only through His blood are we redeemed....reconciled....to God

Amazing Grace!!! how can it be...that thou my God shouldst die for me.

All and I emphasize all other religions teach that Man can in and of himself through his own works can be accepted by God.

Many other religions teach that man can become God..including Mormonism...that is its goal, its destiny...to become like Jesus...a god.

But only Christianity teaches that God became man....to save,to rescue man from his own destruction.

If Jesus Christ is NOT God...then we have NO hope .... none.....

And if He is....our worship belong only to Him



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Wow, excellent post, LdyinChrist!!!

Oh, BYU.David--you're breaking my heart. I've had some friends who were Mormons, so I understand your questions. Please, if you're reading the Bible, please make sure it's the King James Version or I've even found that Holman's is a pretty good modern language variation.

The last time I had Mormon missionaries come to my house to witness, I asked them straight up if they were Mormons and they said yes. Then I said, "fellows, I'm not sure we have a lot to discuss--I believe in Jesus Christ". And the younger guy said (the other one was about 40ish), "So do we!!" And I said, "Yes--but do you believe Jesus is God?" And with that, they both spun around and walked off without a peep--no thank you, no see ya later, not even a goodbye.

I tried to find them (once I got dressed up some--I was in sweats when I answered the door--I thought it was kids wanting to play with my kids at the door). I just wanted to talk with them. But couldn't find them.

The Mormon friends I have had are so very nice and kind. They're truly friendly and considerate folks. But you see, Satan doesn't care if you're nice or hellish--as long as you buy into his lie.

Please don't run off--I know you're looking for answers, or you wouldn't be here. I was the same way too (I was never Mormon), but I was obstinate and a hater of God since I was living in rebellion--I am in no ways perfect at all now and never will be. But look at it this way--I've done some "good" things in my life and if you're right, then I'll probably get some consideration for that at judgment--I'll probably be OK. But if you're wrong, then eternal judgment and damnation is the penalty for rejecting a kind, loving and considerate Judge (one who gave His life up for us). It's worth exploring and thinking about it further--since both our eternal lives depend on it. And, in all honesty, there's nothing more important than this--since our lives are nothing but a vapor and we never know when our soul will be required.

Jeani wrote:I think it's soo important to remember that RElIGION IS MAN MADE and RELIGION WILL NOT GET US TO HEAVEN.

Only through the personal relationship with CHRIST ONLY will get us to Heaven...

You cannot ADD or TAKE away because Christ did it ALL on the Cross...

You're so right, Jeani. Christ doesn't command us to perform rituals, dances, hopping around, lighting candles, praying to crackers, sticking hooks in us as punishment for sin, crawling around on our knees for miles, etc. I loathe religion because it's as you say...man made. Even Paul had to redirect Peter because Peter wanted to convert everyone to Jewish rituals, law, religion...wanted to do it man's way. Peter, as great as he was, is just the same as the rest of us--a weak vessel but got back on track, thanks to Paul's guidance.

It is not to us to add or take away anything from the complete work of Christ. When Jesus said, "It is done". That's exactly what He meant. It would be convoluted, ridiculous and, frankly, rebellious to have any input or the ability to add/subtract to His already perfect completed work and mission.

Please, for all of you who may be Mormons reading this thread...there is no work that can ever be good enough to appease God. We could never do enough good things to earn His favor or obtain His righteousness. Even Bill Gates couldn't buy enough good things to amount to God's standards--there was only one good man ever, a completely sinless man, who was good enough and He paid for the wrath we deserve--He is our perfect sacrifice. And because man can never be good enough for God, this is why Jesus, God in the flesh, submitted Himself for sacrifice, for horrible punishment we all deserve, so that He could pay for our sins (because we could never do this) and we could be with God and have life everlasting. Would you allow one of your sons to be tortured and die for complete strangers? This is why Jesus is so worthy to be King of Kings and why He commands our attention and worship.

For without Jesus, we could never meet God's standards. We're just not good enough and any "good" work is desperately short of meeting God's righteous. The best news is that this salvation is FREE!! That's the good news of the Gospel of Jesus!! Believe in Him, repent and put your full faith and trust in Him and who He says He is! You can't earn it, you can't buy it. You can't work for it. It's a free and loving gift! If only you'll receive this gift.

Jeani wrote:Amen and Amen, Hilltopper....

I'm sooo 'thankful' and 'humble' the Lord decided to come to me for salvation at 15 years old...

He offered me the FREE gift of SALVATION because He has UNCONDITIONAL LOVE for us....

Religion is SATAN BIGGEST TOOL TO MISLEAD a person from salvation.

I'm Christian first,and Baptist second, but as everyone knows, I sometimes question my own religion...

I just want CHRIST, and not the RELIGION this world has to offer.....

I agree, Jeani. What you just said is a huge truth that many refuse to embrace, that of questioning their own religion. I was raised Baptist, and I question all things concerning "religion". While I'm still a member of the Baptist Church and hold many of their doctrines, I proclaim Jesus as my "religion". His way is right, not that which seems right to man. I know that only He had it totally right, that none of us does, but we must try to interpret scripture in the light of what He truly was saying. I don't think the Mormons, Catholics, or many others will question their religion - why? because they're satisfied with it, and they're afraid they might be wrong, and find something in there that convicts them of their present day lifestyle. With them, that just wouldn't work.