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JUDGMENT OF INDIVIDUAL GENTILES AT CHRIST'S RETURN TO EARTH

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JUDGMENT OF INDIVIDUAL GENTILES AT CHRIST'S RETURN TO EARTH

Postby Jeani » 23 Nov 2009, 23:48

[i]JUDGMENT OF INDIVIDUAL GENTILES AT CHRIST'S RETURN TO EARTH
Matthew 25:31-46

When the Lord returns in His glory, He will judge not only the nation Israel as in the Parable of the 10 Virgins,and the Parable of the Talents, but also the Gentiles.

When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.[/


All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.


The words the nations should be translated 'the Gentiles.' These are all people other than Jews who have lived through the Tri. They will be judged individually, not as national groups. They are described as a mingling of sheep and goats, which the Lord will separate.

Then the King will say to those on His right hand, Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

For I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;

I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.


Tthen the righteous will answer Him, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink?

When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You?

Or when did we see You sick or in prison, and come to You?

And the King will answer an say to them, Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.


The King on His throne will extend an invitation to those on His right hand, the sheep, to enter the kingdom God had prepared...since the Creation of the world. The basis of their entrance is seen in their actions, for they provided food, drink, clothing, and care for the King.

The King's statement will prompt the sheep to respond that they do not recall ever having ministered directly to the King.

The King will answer that they performed these services for the least of these brothers of Mine, and by so doing, were ministering to the King.

These brothers must refer to a third group that is neither sheep nor goats. The Jews...who were physical brothers of the Lord.

In view of the distress in the Tribulation period, it is clear that any believing Jew will have a difficult time surviving.

The forces of the world dictator will be doing everything possible to exterminate all Jews.

A Gentile going out of his way to assist a Jew in the Tribulation will mean that Gentile has become a believer in Christ during the Tribulation. This is not the Church as they will already went in the Rapture,but the saved Gentiles in the Tribulation.

By such a stand and action, a believing Gentile will put his life in jeopardy.

His works will not save him; but his works will reveal that he is redeemed.

Knowing these scriptures have made me realize that even though we are not in the Tribulation as a Christian in America I feel we should be doing more to help the Jews,and stand against evil within our own nation. If God will judge the Gentiles in the Tribulation, will he not judge us now?

Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil, and his angels.

For I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;

I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.

Then they also will answer Him, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?

Then He will answer them, saying, Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these you did not do it to Me.

And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.


To the goats on His left hand the King will pronounce judgement.

They will be told, Depart in the eternal fire prepared not for men but for the devil and his angels.

The basis of their judgment will be their failure to extend mercy to the Jewish believers during the Tri.

Their lack of righteous works will evidence their unconcern.

Such individuals will sympathize with the world dictator and support his cause.

They will be removed from the earth and will be cast in 'eternal fire' to undergo eternal punishment.

With all wickedness removed in the various judgments at the Second Avent, the kingdom will begin on earth with only saved individuals in physical bodies instituting the earthly kingdom as the King's subjects.

Glorifed saints from the OT times and the Church, the Bride of Christ, will also be present to share in the reign of the King of kings..

By way of application these lessons are relevant to all believers in any Age...

How does these scriptures speak to you?

These scriptures are consider the fourth judgment with the Gentiles treatment to the Jews.i]
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Re: JUDGMENT OF INDIVIDUAL GENTILES AT CHRIST'S RETURN TO EARTH

Postby Carmela » 24 Nov 2009, 09:38

The basis of their judgment will be their failure to extend mercy to the Jewish believers during the Tri.

I have a slight problem with this. The lack of accepting Jesus Christ as saviour is the only basis for salvation and judgement into hell. Although the author did say earlier on that accepting Jesus as savior was paramount, he still seems to get into the works catagory. I could be misreading the intent.
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Re: JUDGMENT OF INDIVIDUAL GENTILES AT CHRIST'S RETURN TO EARTH

Postby Jeani » 24 Nov 2009, 12:09

I understand how you could be confuse,but you have to follow the scriptures very closely.

These scriptures are not referring to the Church for salvation.

This is referring to those Gentiles and Jews during the Tribulation.

The group of Gentiles are the 'sheep' for helping the Jews in the Tribulation.

The group of Gentiles are the 'goats' who do not help the Jews in the Tribulation.

This is not the 'judgment for the Church',but the 'judgment for the Gentiles' who go through the Tribulation...

Of course, the 'sheep' Gentiles will be the ones who will accept Christ in the Tribulation,and beheaded for not taking the mark...

Our judgment (the Church) is not for sin,but for works...

I will list that judgment later...

Sorry to confuse...
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Re: JUDGMENT OF INDIVIDUAL GENTILES AT CHRIST'S RETURN TO EARTH

Postby Carmela » 24 Nov 2009, 17:20

I see what you are saying but the judgement of the goats still seems to hinge on how they treat the Jews during the Trib rather than on not accepting Christ as savior. I mean, if you're condemned already because you've not accepted Christ, then what difference does it make how you've treated the Jews?
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Re: JUDGMENT OF INDIVIDUAL GENTILES AT CHRIST'S RETURN TO EARTH

Postby Jeani » 24 Nov 2009, 19:19

Sorry for the confusion...

Let me try again...

As this is a Judgment of nations (Gentiles) only, the Jews cannot be in it for they are not reckoned among the nations.

Read Num. 23:9

And as the Church will be associated with Christ in this Judgment, for the Saints (the Church) shall judge the World (the Nations) 1Cor. 6:2, the Church cannot be in this Judgment either.

As we have see the Church and the Jews have been already judged, so the 'Judgment of the Nations' cannot be a general Judgment.

Who the, is asked, are meant by the Sheep?

Do they not represent the Righteous, and all the Righteous from the beginning of the world to the end of Time?

And do not the Goats in like manner represent all the Wicked?

If the Sheep are the Righteous, and the Goats the Wicked, then who are the Brethen?

Remember the Sheep inherit a Kingdom and the Goats are commanded to depart because of their treatment of the Brethren.

Remember the Brethren represents the Jews.

We must bear in mind the time and place of this Judgment.

The time is at the Revelation of Christ, when He comes to set up His Mill Kingdom on the earth.

The place is the 'Valley of Jehoshaphat' in the vicinity of Jerusalem.

For behold, in those days, and that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather All Nations, and will bring them down into the Valley of Jehosphaphat, and will plead with them there for My People and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the Nations, and parted my land. Joel 3:1,2


This prophecy clearly states that there is to be a 'Judgment of Naqtions' ont he earth in the'Valley of Jehosphaphat' at the time of the restoration of the Jews to their own land, and that the basis of Judgment is the treatment by the nations of Christ's brethren--The Jews.

During the Tri the nations that reat the Jewish people kindly, feeding and clothing them, and visiting them in prison, will be the Sheep Nations' while those who neglect to do will be 'The Goat Nations'

At the Judgment of Nations Christ will say to the Sheep Nations, inasmuch as ye have been kind to My brethren.

Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

This Kingdom is the Mill that the Sheep Nations as Nations will inherit and possess during the Mill.

And as they are to be among the saved nations of the New Earth Rev. 21:24 it can be said of them that they, or at least the righteous individuals of them, shall enter into life eternal. Matt. 25:46

Christ's sentence upon the 'Goat Nations' will be--Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his angels,and these shall go away into everlasting punishment.
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Postby Remnant » 24 Nov 2009, 19:39

Jeani, I am having a hard time following this.

The sheep are simply the followers of Christ and the Goats are those who reject Him. All people regardless of what nation tribe or tongue will be judged accordingly. Even during the tribulation, all people will have to either accept him as their savior and Lord or reject Him.

Just like He will separate the wheat from the tares, He will also separate the sheep from the Goat.

I personally believe that He is in the process of doing that now! He knows who the pretenders are, the Goats and the true followers of Christ. The sheep!
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Re: JUDGMENT OF INDIVIDUAL GENTILES AT CHRIST'S RETURN TO EARTH

Postby Jeani » 24 Nov 2009, 21:14

Yes, Frank, you are right,but I have just talking about 'one' judgment for the Gentiles after the Tribulation,and before the Mill.

My understanding we have five judgments at different times.

Judgment No 1
Subjects: Believers as to Sin
Time: A.D. 30
Place: Calvary
Basis of Judgment: Christ's FINISHED WORK at the Cross

Judgment No 2
Subjects: Believers as to Works (Church in the Church Age)
Time: After the Church is caught out
Place: Judgment Seat of Christ (in the air) (Rapture)
Basis of Judgment: Their works
Result: Reward or loss
This judgment is FUTURE

We must all appear before the 'Judgment Seat of Christ' that every one may receive the things done inthe body according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 2 Cor 5:10

It will not be a Judgment in the sense of a 'trial' to see whether the judged are innocent (saved) or guilty (lost), for it is a Judgment of the 'save' only.

It is not a judgment for sin, but for works.
This Judgment is described in 1 Cor. 3:11-15
Other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; every man's Work shall be made manifest; for the Day' (Judgment Day) shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire, and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built there upon he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned he shall suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


The result of this Judgment is reward or loss.

All our bad and dead works, represented by the wood, hay and stubble, will be consumed, and only our 'good works' shall remain.

There is much which passes for Christian service which is merely humand and secular, and does not count in our eternal reward. For those who deserse a reward it will be:
1. The Crown of Life: James 1:12 Rev. 2:10

2. The Crown of Glory 1 Peter. 5:2-4

3. The Crown of Rejoicing: 1 thess 2:19,20 Phil. 4:1

4. The Crown of Righteousness 2 Tim 4:8

5. The Crown of Incorruptible 1 John 2:28

Judgment No 3.
Subjects: The Jews
Time: The Great Tribulation
Place:Jerusalem and Vicinty
Basis of Judgment-Rejection of the Godhead
Result: Their Conversion and Reception of Christ as their Messiah
The judgment is FUTURE

While the Church is being judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ for works only in the air, the Jews will be judged under Antichrist on the earth.

The Jews are earthly people; and as all the promises to them are earthly it follows that their Judgment must be of an earthly character.

The basis of their Judgment is their rejection of the Godhead.

When the 'times of the Gentiles' (the very last Gentile to be saved before the Tribultion) are about to end the Jews will be gathered back to the Holy Land unconverted,and caused to pass under the rod. Ez. 20:34-38

They will be cast into God's Melting Pot in Ez. 22:19-22,and pass through an experience spoken of by Jeremiah and Daniel as the 'Time of Jacob's Trouble' in Jer. 30:4-7; Dan. 12:1

The human agent the Lord will use will be Antichrist, the awfulness of whose rule will be supplemented by the pouring out of the 'Vials of God's wrath' upon the earth in Rev. 15:1, 5-8, 16:21

The result of these terrible Judgments will be that the Jews will call in their misery upon the Land Zech 12:10

Then Christ will come back to the Mt. of Olives (Zech. 14:3) nd the Jews will look upon Him whom they pierced (Zech. 12:10) and a nation, the Jewish Nation, shall be converted in a day. Isa. 66:8

Judgment No. 4 is what I was explaining above....
Subjects: the Nations (Gentiles)
Time-The Revelation of Christ
Place-The Throne of His Glory.' On the Earth--Valley of Jehoshaphat
Basis of Judgment: Their Treatment of Christ's Brethen--the Jews
Result: Some Nations Saved; others Destroyed
This Judgement is FUTURE.

Judgment No 5
Subjects: The Wicked Dead
Time: During the Renovation of the Earth by Fire
Place: Before 'the Great White Throne Judgment"
Basis of Judgment: Their Works
Result: Cast Into the 'Lake of fire.'

It will take place at the close of the Mill after the Judgment of the Nations, and before the 'Great White Throne'

Sorry,and I know it's deep,but I wanted you to see how each group of people within the Bible are judged at different times,and how...

The most important judgment was at the cross where IT IS FINISH,but for a saved Gentile in the Church, the important judgment is No. 2.
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Re: JUDGMENT OF INDIVIDUAL GENTILES AT CHRIST'S RETURN TO EARTH

Postby Remnant » 25 Nov 2009, 08:15

Hi Jeani, First let me say, I do not in anyway want this to end up as a debate or argument. You have shared the position that John Hagee teaches and the Scofield bible teaches. Scofield is the first bible printed with a commentary.

I do not agree with either. The problem that I see is that this teaching seems to say that all Jews will be saved.

There are many judgements spoken of in the bible by God at different periods and times. But there are only two judgments concerning the Lost and the Saved.

Believers are judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ

(Romans 14:10-12). Every believer will give an account of himself, and the Lord will judge the decisions he made—including those concerning issues of conscience. This judgment does not determine salvation, which is by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), but rather is the time when believers must give an account of their lives in service to Christ. Our position in Christ is the “foundation” spoken of in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15. That which we build upon the foundation can be the “gold, silver, and precious stones” of good works in Christ’s name, obedience and fruitfulness—dedicated spiritual service to glorify God and build the church. Or what we build on the foundation may be the “wood, hay and stubble” of worthless, frivolous, shallow activity with no spiritual value. The Judgment Seat of Christ will reveal this.

The gold, silver and precious stones in the lives of believers will survive God’s refining fire (v. 13), and believers will be rewarded based on those good works—how faithfully we served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27), how well we obeyed the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20), how victorious we were over sin (Romans 6:1-4), how well we controlled our tongues (James 3:1-9), etc. We will have to give an account for our actions, whether they were truly indicative of our position in Christ. The fire of God’s judgment will completely burn up the “wood, hay and stubble” of the words we spoke and things we did which had no eternal value. “So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God” (Romans 14:12 ).

The second judgment is that of unbelievers who will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment

(Revelation 20:11-15). This judgment does not determine salvation, either. Everyone at the Great White Throne is an unbeliever who has rejected Christ in life and is therefore already doomed to the lake of fire. Revelation 20:12 says that unbelievers will be “judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” Those who have rejected Christ as Lord and Savior will be judged based on their works alone, and because the Bible tells us that “by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified” (Galatians 2:16), they will be condemned. No amount of good works and the keeping of God’s laws can be sufficient to atone for sin. All their thoughts, words and actions will be judged against God’s perfect standard and found wanting. There will be no reward for them, only eternal condemnation and punishment.

John 3:16-18

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

These scriptures hold true for Gentile and Jews Alike!
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