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by **Remnant** » 10 Jan 2012, 11:50

by **janlyn** » 10 Jan 2012, 16:51

Somebody should send that man a Bible. :thdn

by **Remnant** » 10 Jan 2012, 16:57

janlyn wrote:Somebody should send that man a Bible.

I am sure he has plenty just laying around collecting dust!
He needs to read 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

by **songbird** » 11 Jan 2012, 00:19

Joel certainly avoided giving any Bible references to back up what he said. If Oprah had been a believer, she would have been quick to notice the omission and beware of his words…that he doesn't fully represent our Almighty God who spirit-breathed His Word.

Doesn't he preach a social gospel? Right there he is not pleasing to God…or God's man. Wonder what Joel's dad preached…

by **Remnant** » 11 Jan 2012, 08:25

Doesn't he preach a social gospel? Right there he is not pleasing to God…or God's man. Wonder what Joel's dad preached…

He does preach a social gospel from the pulpit and on TV, but He is a word of faith preacher and prosperity gospel. His father preached a gospel of prosperity and name it and claim it and blab it and grab it. They teach how to speak in tongues and other non biblical doctrines.

Joel Osteen made the following statement which ought to be enough to drive 1,000’s of people away from his church:

Osteen’s upbeat style is deliberate and authentic. ‘Make church relevant,’ he says. ‘Give them something to be able to take away. I find today people are not looking for theology. There’s a place for it, [But] in your everyday life you need to know how to live.[8]

That statement is loaded with seeker-sensitive “code.” My wife and I left a North American Baptist church of over 1,000 members which had as its acronym “GPARS” which stood for: (1) Grace; (2) People; (3) Authenticity; (4) Relevance and (5) Small groups.

Of course Osteen’s “style” is upbeat, would you expect negativity from a positive confession devotee? No! Deliberate, absolutely, he really believes much of the WOF nonsense his father taught him all his life, not to mention whatever offbeat spirituality he may have gleaned from his two years at Oral Roberts University . Authentic? Without a doubt! What you see is what you get. Joel Osteen is a man without any biblical education but an admitted talent for marketing.

To be a success in marketing you have to know where people itch and scratch it. Or, you have to create a desire in them by creating a hunger for something they currently do not have nor formerly knew they needed. All commercials can be condensed down to one of these two truths.

So to become a mega-church a pastor has to make church relevant. He has to give the people what they want, something that soothes that spiritual itch. In order to be a “success” (i.e. large masses of people and money) pastors must preach unchallenging messages that uplift rather than convict. He must pander to the lowest common denominator and make sure that whatever is taught does not offend anymore at anytime. What we are seeing is really nothing new, it is a simply fulfillment of 2Ti 4:3-4

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

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