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by **Remnant** » 03 Feb 2010, 22:26

Is God Present in the believer after the Rapture? Part #1

I believe He will be.

There is a persistent teaching that after the removal of the Church at the glorious event commonly referred to as the Rapture I Thess. 4:13-18, all who had failed to receive Christ as their Savior are from that moment on damned to everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire or they will be in danger of loosing there salvation because the Indwelling Spirit of God will not be given to them during the tribulation.

It has often been said that true repentance is seldom late but late repentance is seldom true. When it comes to repentance during the great tribulation period, this saying seems appropriate. Though this is a day when prophetic themes are not as prominent as they once were, there still seems to be quite a bit of interest in the question of salvation after the rapture, that is, within the tribulation period. An internet search this confirms great interest and variety of opinions (as well as much confusion) about this question. The more specific question is, of course, whether or not a person can still be saved in the tribulation if they refuse Christ now and miss the rapture.

I believe to teach this message, makes the cleansing power of the blood of Christ no longer available to those who have not accepted Christ’s offer of forgiveness during this present dispensation called the Church Age. I also believe that This teaching is found to be of errors and inconsistencies when evaluated under the light of the scriptures concerning the doctrine of salvation

Revelation 9:21 we are told of how men will not repent from their sins during the close of the approaching 7-year Tribulation Period.

It is important to recognize that the statement from Scripture that if repentance was impossible or if Christ’s offer of salvation was not still in effect at the close of the age. For God to expect men to repent when no forgiveness is available would make no sense.

To me this is the most important part of salvation, we first need to understand that which Jesus accomplished on the cross when He paid for the sins of the world. When Jesus proclaimed upon the cross, "It is finished," as is recorded for us in John 19:30, He used a Greek term which means, "to end" or be "paid in full." Jesus had paid the full penalty required by God for every sin of every person. This is why it is such a tremendous offense to not come to Christ and accept His forgiveness.

Whether one accepts or rejects Him does not alter the fact that He already took upon Himself at the cross the sins of all the ages. It is a purchased gift from God and like any offered gift presented to someone it does not truly become theirs if they refuse to receive it.

The question then arises, "Is there a point in any person’s life before their death that God retracts His offer of salvation?"

There is one particular instance given in the Holy Scriptures where the offer of forgiveness will be withdrawn from a person before Christ and His Church return at Armageddon. This retraction will require that a blasphemous willful action be taken. It is an act that will be committed by many with full knowledge of the consequences that await.

The point in time this judgment will take place is after the instituting of the mark of the beast 3 ½ years into the final 7-year Tribulation Period.

The Book of Revelation 14:6-13 reveals beyond dispute the offer and power of Christ’s forgiveness is still available up to this time and beyond. The glorious gift of salvation will continue to be made available to all who refuse to worship the Anti-Christ and receive his mark upon their bodies according to God’s Holy Word.

Verse (6) "Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth - to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people - (7) saying with a loud voice, "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water." (8) And another angel followed saying, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication." (9) Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, (10) "he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. (11) "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." (12) Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. (13) Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write; ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them."

There are those who say that the "everlasting gospel," that is "good news," message spoken of in verse 6 is a separate gospel then the gospel of Jesus Christ.

This kind of thinking lacks merit. There can be no "everlasting gospel" in any fashion apart from the forgiveness purchased by the blood of Jesus Christ. There can be no eternal place in Heaven or on earth for anyone who has not had their sins washed clean by the only begotten Son of God.

Verse 7 is revealing on this point when the people of the Tribulation Period are admonished to "worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water."

While we are told of Jesus Christ who is The Creator in Col. 1:16, "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth…"; verses 12 & 13 of Rev. 14 continue to make known the availability of salvation by Christ’s finished work during the Tribulation Period.

Here we are told of the patience of the saints who keep "the faith of Jesus" and of the blessing upon those "who die in the Lord from now on."

Three and a half years or more before this statement will be heralded; the Rapture of the Church to Heaven will have taken place.

This present dispensation, which is referred to as the Church Age, will end when and only when God determines it's appointed time.
The introduction of a unique dispensation unknown in previous history will then come into existence, but we can rest assured that the nullifying of Christ’s blood atonement to save souls will never take place.

The Rapture of the Church will not bring an end to the offer of grace as many are teaching or implying. If this were true then the self-efforts and offerings of men during the Tribulation Period would have to be righteous and adequate to obtain forgiveness. The justification for Christ shedding His blood on the cross would be invalidated and the very heart of the Word of God would be null and void.

Part 2 to be continued:

by **Remnant** » 03 Feb 2010, 22:31

Is God Present in the believer after the Rapture? Part #2

There are variations on the "no trib-salvation" teaching that place restrictions or limitations on the availability of salvation for people after the Rapture. Some say rejection will have to do with how much light of the truth individuals were exposed to before the Rapture, while another says this light-of-truth distinction applies differently when considering whether the person is a Jew or a Gentile.

I believe the more accurate distinction of who will be saved and who will not is centered on whether a heart has been hardened or not.

It is my understanding that the question of who has had their heart hardened against salvation was no different yesterday than it will be tomorrow. It must never be trivialized that today is the day for salvation and that there is always the ever present danger of a person reaching the point of no return when wrestling against the unyieldingness of an unsaved heart. At some point God will no longer strive with that person and will give them over to a debased mind (Rom. 1:28). This abandonment is too heartbreaking to contemplate. This harmonizes with what Jesus referred to as "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" when an individual has been shown God’s supernatural power at their greatest moment of possible acceptance and rejected the goodness of the Lord.

As the Scriptures reveal, after the Rapture of the Church, salvation will still be available to all, while at the same time we are shown that the vast majority left behind will increasingly despise the call of Christ.

There has been four developments and teachings that have led people to believe that the Holy Spirit will no longer indwell the believer.

First is that the Holy Spirit-filled Church will be caught up to heaven beyond the reach of the unsaved masses (I Thess. 4:15-18). Yes we will be raptured but there will also be room in heaven for the Tribulation saints.

Secondly, the Holy Spirit will no longer indwell and empower new believers during the tribulation week of years to restrain sin (II Thess. 2:6-7). The restrainer holds back the Anti Christ and also restrains the evil of this world. The Love of Christ constrains us and we are all capable of evil acts.

Third, an unprecedented appearance of deceptive and evil forces will vie for the minds of the peoples of the earth (II Thess. 2:8-10) & Rev. 16:13-14). I agree, but when one recieves the Spirit of the Living God then we are no longer given a spirit of fear, but of Love and Power and above all a Sound mind!

Then last and most fearsome of all, God Himself will send forth strong delusion to those who desires are set on unrighteousness and had reached the dreadful point of no return in their rejection of truth (II Thess. 2:11-12). I believe This strong dillusion is when God will allow the deception of Satan and the Antichrist to be stronger then ever. I believe that is already begining. God will at that time cease His attempts to stir the conscience of those whose hearts are firmly established in wickedness so that He may fulfill His word for not only the vessels of mercy, but also for the self appointed vessels of wrath (Rom. 9:21-24).

Hope springs eternal for the future saints who will delay until after the Church is gone to come to know the awsome love of their Savior.

The Lord has put the desire in our hearts to not only reach those who will respond this day to the wondrous gift of eternal life obtained by Christ’s resurrection, but to also equip the post Rapture Tribulation saints with this knowledge which our Lord might use to strengthen their faith.

We trust that many who do not come to know Christ before the Rapture will remember during the tragic days ahead that which we have shared with them and will cherish the glorious hope promised in the Scriptures.

They should marvel at how Rom. 11:8-15 & Rev. 7:3-8 told them of when after the Church has fulfilled her role as the present messenger of the Gospel and is removed to heaven, divinely protected Jews will be awakened to their new found calling. These elect of God will carry the message of the Gospel onward through the final 7 years bringing life to those who were once dead in their sin while proclaiming the imminent return of Jesus Christ.

I believe and trust that the future saints will remember when they were told that Rev. 7:14-15 promises eternal life to every tribulation martyr who has had their sins washed away by the blood of Jesus the Lamb of God.

I pray they will be strengthened with the shared knowledge from Rev. 7:9-15 which promises eternal blessings of joy and peace after they face the fading sword of death for their new found faith.

The survivors in Christ may recall the promise of Acts 2:17-21 which proclaims that in the final days "it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Perhaps it will be the words of Jesus in Matt. 28:20 which they will cling to with hope until the moment the Church returns with Christ when He said, "…Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

Christ promises salvation, honor and blessings throughout the Tribulation Period.

Let us comfort every believer with the knowledge that loved ones who have been witnessed to in this lifetime are not automatically damned to Hell if they have not received Christ as their Savior by the time the Rapture has taken place.

This is because "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever" (Heb. 13:8) "…after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God (Heb. 10:12), promises He will "never leave you, or forsake you" (Heb. 13:5).

Always remember, Christ finished work on the cross and His love that paid the price for all. Whosoever believes, John 3:16 shall be saved and clensed from there sins.

I do not want this subject to cause division or strife among the brethren on this forum. I personally do not agree with some of the teachers and there interpretations on this matter. You can choose and decide for yourself, but Salvation is a serious matter and the doctrine of Salvation should not be speculative, but absolute truth.

by **Carmela** » 04 Feb 2010, 18:28

Great post, Frank and I completely agree with you. I have never run across the teaching of no salvation after the rapture. Seems pretty silly since there is so much in Scripture about the spreading of the Gospel during the Trib period. I have read opinons about the Holy Spirit operating in a different capacity during the Trib and that those saved during that time will have the Holy Spirit but won't be "sealed" as we in the Church age are. . .whatever that means. Anyway, I'm just thankful that our loved ones who may be left behind will have a second chance at salvation. They will have a hard time of it going thru the Trib period but it will all be worth it when they see the face of our Lord.

by **Jeani** » 04 Feb 2010, 22:36

In all fairness to Jack Kelley's beliefs, he wasn't saying that there was 'no' salvation after the Rapture. Maybe his 'terminology' was confusing...

He was just describing that in the Church Age, believers are 'sealed' with the HS.

It's through this 'sealing of the HS' that will be taken out in the Rapture....

During the Tribulation, the HS will work in each individual's lives in a different capacity than He (HS) does by the 'sealing of the HS' in the Church Age.

If you believe, which I do, that the HS worked in a different capacity in the O.T. then you can understand how the HS will work in the same way in the Great Tribulation.

When you study Hebrews, one understands that BY FAITH one is saved even in the O.T., but no where did it say they were 'sealed.'

That doesn't mean all of the O.T. Bible characters will not have eternal salvation nor those saved in the Tribulation.

It's only through the 'sealing of the HS' in the Church Age that can be Rapture...The HS is to 'empower' us..

In the 1,000 year Millennial Age, there is no 'sealing of the HS' either.

Only those who are spiritually saved in the Tribulation will enter the 1,000 year Millennial Age.

It will be a 'Theocracy.'

God will rule in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ under the influence of the HS; however, scripture does not mention the 'sealing of the HS.'

And the angel said unto Mary, thou shalt bring forth a son and shalt call His name Jesus. He shall be great and shall be called the 'Son of the Highest', and the Lord God shall give unto Him the 'Throne of His Father David;' and he shall reign over the House of Jacob Forever,and of His Kingdom There Shall be No End. Luke 1:30-33

We know that Satan will be bound found in Rev. 20:1-3

That man may be 'without excuse' God is going to subject him to a final test under the most favorable circumstances.

Man has charged his fall and continuance in sin to Satan.

'Take him away,' he cries, 'paralyze his power; cripple his malignant activity; bind and imprison him and deliver us from his dominating influence, and then you will see that man is radically good and virtuous and is simply the victim of an unfavorable environment.'

Human Life will be Prolonged.

There shall be no more thence an infant of days, for the child shall die a hundred years old. Isa. 65:20

That is, a person dying 100 years old shall be considered only a child.

As the 'afternoon' of that long Millennial Day' draws to a close the shadows deepen.

As soon as Satan is loosed from his prison in the 'Bottomless Pit,' he will find a vast multitude ready to believe his lie, and to serve and obey him.

He will gather them from the 'Four Quarters of the Earth' to battle.

They will be in number as the 'sand of the sea.' Rev. 20:8-9

Fire from Heaven devours the rebellious host, and Satan, who deceives them, is cast into the 'Lake of Fire' to be tormented day and night for the 'Ages of Ages.'

Thank you, Lord, for giving us the 'sealing of the HS' today...

You paid the price on the cross for our sins....

by **Remnant** » 04 Feb 2010, 23:05

Jeani, Have you read the whole post that I posted?

How is one saved?

Must one be born again?

Does that change after the rapture?

Where does it say in the Bible that Salvation comes a different way after the Rapture.

That is speculation and if you will notice Jack Kelley says" It seems!

When Jesus left the Holy Spirit as a seal and the indwelling God in us. that was for the rest of eternity.

Even though the Holy Spirit worked different in the Old Testament, the day of Pentecost it all changed. Jack Kelley and some of these others who teaches that the Holy Spirit will no longer indwell the believer is erroneous and changes the doctrine of salvation. The very reason the Atonement worked is that Jesus became the living and active God in all who believe on Him. I have not found one scripture that says that the Doctrine and means of salvation Changes after the Rapture. This is a new teaching that has come along in the last couple of decades.

Jeani, I know that you believe in eternal security for the believer. If one could loose there salvation after it was given by the Grace of God, then that would require works. No where in Scripture does it say that one can be saved by works. Not before the rapture or after the rapture.

The biggest problem I see with the line of teaching that is coming from these modern prophecy teachers is that it changes the doctrine of salvation.

They take the one verse concerning the restrainer in 1 Thessalonians way of of context and builds a doctrine on it. That sister is a dangerous thing to do.

by **LdyinChrist** » 06 Feb 2010, 12:33

Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that the Holy Spirit, the comforter, could not be given until Christ had finished His work on the cross...thus fulfilling His ministry as the Great High Priest...went into the Holy of Holies in Heaven to the throne of God with his own blood as the offering and sat down because that work was finished. Then the righteousness that was imputed by faith before the reality of the cross was able to be applied to all those that believe afterwards, thus allowing the Holy Spirit to indwell the believer.

I've been in a study of Hebrews by John MacArthur because my knowledge of the old testament is weak.

by **Remnant** » 06 Feb 2010, 12:59

LdyinChrist wrote:Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that the Holy Spirit, the comforter, could not be given until Christ had finished His work on the cross...thus fulfilling His ministry as the Great High Priest...went into the Holy of Holies in Heaven to the throne of God with his own blood as the offering and sat down because that work was finished. Then the righteousness that was imputed by faith before the reality of the cross was able to be applied to all those that believe afterwards, thus allowing the Holy Spirit to indwell the believer.

I've been in a study of Hebrews by John MacArthur because my knowledge of the old testament is weak.

Libby, That is correct from my understanding of scripture and the doctrine of the Holy Spirit.

by **LdyinChrist** » 06 Feb 2010, 17:31

Jeani you said

If you believe, which I do, that the HS worked in a different capacity in the O.T. then you can understand how the HS will work in the same way in the Great Tribulation.

The Holy Spirit’s ministry is the same, it hasn’t changed and won’t change…what changed was the fulfillment of the “promise” that was given to Abraham.

Faith was like a credit card until Christ came and paid it off at the cross…the old testament saints were in the bosom of Abraham until the work was finished then he took them to heaven to be with Him forever more.

The old testament saints looked forward to the cross….the church looks back at the cross.

The tribulation goes back to dealing with Israel as a nation…but the cross has not changed, nor salvation, nor the work of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is God…He is omnipresent…when the church is raptured the Holy Spirit remains to do his conviction.

The Holy Spirit is our downpayment…redemption is complete…in God’s mind…but at the rapture our body will then be redeemed.

It just hasn’t taken place in time yet….but it’s a done deal.

John 16:7

7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

12I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

When you study Hebrews, one understands that BY FAITH one is saved even in the O.T., but no where did it say they were 'sealed.'

The OT…is just that…the Old Testament…Old covenant…Hebrews is all about Jesus Christ fulfilling the Old covenant

The Old covenant wasn’t wrong but Hebrews shows that the New covenant is better…because Jesus Christ fulfilled it.

Angels were the mediators of the Old covenant.

The Son is the mediator of the New covenant….much better!!

The Old covenant was just a shadow.

The New covenant is the reality.

Israel as a nation will realize this but only at the end of the tribulation…when the indignation is over.

Individuals …jews and gentiles will still be saved the same way…through the foolishness of preaching (2 witnesses and 144,000) of the gospel…good news that Jesus Christ is God the messiah and has paid the price….Believe !!

Nothing can or will ever be able to change the gospel of Jesus Christ…He is the eternal Word… the Lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world… the Alpha and Omega…

I think you might be looking at it through time because of the dispensations...because God removes the church and goes back to dealing with Israel

by **Remnant** » 06 Feb 2010, 18:17

Libby, that was a great post and I agree!

This stands out for me:

The old testament saints looked forward to the cross….the church looks back at the cross.

The tribulation goes back to dealing with Israel as a nation…but the cross has not changed, nor salvation, nor the work of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is God…He is omnipresent…when the church is raptured the Holy Spirit remains to do his conviction.

by **WKUHilltopper** » 07 Feb 2010, 08:08

Is God Present in the believer after the Rapture? Part #2

There are variations on the "no trib-salvation" teaching that place restrictions or limitations on the availability of salvation for people after the Rapture. Some say rejection will have to do with how much light of the truth individuals were exposed to before the Rapture, while another says this light-of-truth distinction applies differently when considering whether the person is a Jew or a Gentile.

I believe most definitely He will be. God gives men, even during this time, and to those who've not received the mark of the beast, the last second/opportunity to "enter the Ark". Besides, what would be the purpose of those 144,000 Jewish preachers if there were no souls to lead to salvation? I think Jesus will respond, during the judgment seat period, "I gave you every opportunity, despite what you saw happening all around you, but you still rejected Me. You are without excuse." God takes no delight in sentencing man to eternity. He's too patient and compassionate for that. But we're without excuse.

by **Jeani** » 07 Feb 2010, 22:05

LdyinChrist, you posted: I think you might be looking at it through time because of the dispensations...because God removes the church and goes back to dealing with Israel.

EXACTLY.....that's what I have been saying.....

I never posted one could not be saved in the Tribulation,but I do believe scriptures teaches the HS will work in the same way he did in the OT.

In the Church Age, we have the 'sealing of the HS.'

In the OT, they didn't

Now I didn't say they weren't saved by GRACE AND FAITH...

I'm just saying the HS works in different ways throughout the Bible.

We read in Job 26:13, By His SPIRIT He hath garnished the heavens.

The SPIRIT is not doing this during the Church Age...

God the Father created the matter, God the Son moulded it into shape, and the HS breathed into all animate creation life.

We see the HS working in the Fall of Adam and Eve to the Noah Flood..

This is the 'Age of Conscience',and the work of the HS during that Age seems to have been to 'strive' with men through their conscience to live better lives for we read in Gen. 6:3 And the Lord said, MY SPIRIT shall NOT ALWAYS STRIVE with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty.

The working of the HS from the Flood to the Birth of Jesus was He came upon individual men and women and FILLED them for some special service.

The HS did not abide on men for any length of time during these Ages, but came and went, as, in the case of Samson.

The work of the HS in Jesus in the NT.

1. He was CONCEIVED by the HS
2. He was BAPTISED by the HS
3. He was led by the JS into the Wilderness to be TEMPTED
And on and on...

In the Church Age we have the 'sealing of the HS.'

Being I believe in the Rapture of the Church, the HS, WHO CAME AT PENTECOST TO FORM THE 'BODY OF CHRIST', the Church will, when the Church is complete and caught out, RETURN with the Church to Heaven.

So how can individuals be BORN AGAIN without the HS?

They will be saved as the OT Saints were saved, by the HS coming to individuals and REGENERATING THEM.

I never posted no one would be saved in the Great Tribulation.

The working of the HS in the Mill is Joel 2:28:32
And it shall come to pass afterward (after Israel shall have returned to their own land, which will be before the Mill), that I will pour out MY SPIRIT upon ALL FLESH; and your (Israel's) sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: and also upon your servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out MY SPIRIT. And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood and fire, and pillars of smoke.

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible 'Day of the Lord' come.

And it shall come to pass, that whossoever shall CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE DELIVERED; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.

Buy you say this was fulfilled at Penetocost.

Yes, in part only.

That was the 'First Fruits' of a future and greater outpouring of the HS, for while Peter quoted all but the last few lines of Joel's prophecy, the physical phenomenon that is to attend this outpouring of the HS did not take place at Pentecost.

There were no WONDERS IN THE HEAVENS AND IN THE EARTH, SUCH AS BLOOD AND FIRE, AND PILLARS OF SMOKE. The sun was not DARKENED, nor the moon turned into BLOOD, and as these things are to occur during the Tribulation and just previous to the Mill, it is clear that the prophecy has reference to the Mill.

I think where I disagree with everyone is that the HS will be REMOVE WITH THE CHURCH AT THE RAPTURE...

Who is the RESTRAINER from the Lawlessone? The HS

Who is SEALED IN THE CHURCH BELEIVERS? The HS

If the HS is 'Sealed within the Church' the seal CANNOT BE BROKEN..

This 'SEALING of the HS, is what takes us to Heaven.

Once we are escorting to Heaven then the HS comes back down to Earth to work in the same way as the HS with the REGENERATING of individuals in the Tribulation..

Jesus said to His disciples--IT IS EXPEDIENT FOR YOU THAT I GO AWAY; FOR IF I GO NOT AWAY THE COMFORTER (HS) WILL NOT COME UNTO YOU; but if I depart, I WILL SEND HIM UNTO YOU. John 16:7

If we understand this scripture, we can believe the HS will work in a different way in the Tribulation..

Jesus cannot both reside at the same time on the earth.

The HS has a specific work in this Age: it is the formation of the 'Body of Christ' the Church, into which we are baptized by the HS found in 1 Cor. 12:13,27

The HS took up His residence on the earth at Pentecost in Acts. 2:1-4) and will remain on the earth until the Church is complete and then He will escort it to meet the Lord in the air at the Rapture.

Christ is with us through the HS being Christ is at the right hand of His Father.

It's my understanding and belief of the REMOVAL of the HS within the Church that confirms to me that we WILL BE RAPTURE UP BEFORE THE TRIBULATION.

by **Remnant** » 07 Feb 2010, 22:35

Jeani, You said:

The HS took up His residence on the earth at Pentecost in Acts. 2:1-4) and will remain on the earth until the Church is complete and then He will escort it to meet the Lord in the air at the Rapture.

I do not find this anywhere in scripture.

I can understand where you might get this from based on The Holy Spirit as the Restrainer, but it does not tell us this in scripture what you quoted here.

Who is the RESTRAINER from the Lawless One? The HS.

That is correct in that the Holy Spirit is the very one who will restrain the Anti Christ from coming into power because he can't do that until after the Rapture!

Code: Select all: Who is SEALED IN THE CHURCH BELEIVERS? The HS

He seals every believer, who is the church. Even those who will get saved after the Rapture will be saints of God and the Saints spoken of in Revelation is still part of the church.

If the HS is 'Sealed within the Church' the seal CANNOT BE BROKEN..

The Holy Spirit Seals the beliver because they have become born again. The indwelling of His spirit in the believer.

This 'SEALING of the HS, is what takes us to Heaven.

By being sealed it keeps us from ever loosing our salvation.

Jeani, The only reason I am so adamant about this is that The doctrine of salvation is in question. Can you see that?

Here is why I ask.

How is one saved?

Must one be born again?

Does that change after the rapture?

Where does it say in the Bible that Salvation comes a different way after the Rapture?

Also, There is nothing in the New Testament that tells us that the Holy Spirit will function differently.

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