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Glenn Beck's Mormon Infomercial

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Glenn Beck's Mormon Infomercial

Postby PandoraBVV » 02 Jan 2011, 16:54

    Glenn Beck's Mormon Infomercial
    http://bakersfieldchurch.blogspot.com/s ... /Mormonism

    Glenn Beck is a popular guy. His show on Fox News is one of the highest rated shows on cable news.
    Millions of people watch him every day. More importantly, many Christians watch him every day.
    Most know that he is a Mormon, as he is open about his LDS faith on his show.
    Most don't care.

    Should we?

    Well, until the show which aired on August 18th, 2010, I didn't.
    Sure, I knew he was a member of the Mormon church, but other than a few language oddities such as his
    constant reference to "Heavenly Father" and his consistent use of the phrase "the scriptures" instead of
    the Bible, I never really saw much LDS theology in his show.

    That all changed yesterday.

    Now, my point in writing this isn't to go out of my way to pick a fight with the Mormon Church, but
    my role as an Elder in a Christian church compels me to defend the flock against wolves, and in
    this case, Beck has crossed the line into "wolfdom."

    Because so many Christians watch and enjoy his show, including many in my own church,
    I was forced to offer a response.

    The premise of his August 18th show was this:

      "The Native Americans were descended from an ancient civilization that existed on this continent in pre-historic and Biblical times. This civilization, had large cities and a very advanced culture, including a writing system and higher religious thought"
    Beck went so far as to say,
      "
      The ancient Indians actually had religious writings which were a proto-Hebrew Bible".
    He also offered the "fact" that the Native Americans were descended from the Jews.
    He went on to cite various "scholars", "experts" and "archaeologists" who support this claim.

    Not only that, but he mentioned a "shocking DVD", a documentary, that tells us the true story,
    a story that has been covered up by mainstream science for political reasons.
    He even gave the web address for the DVD he was talking about.
    If history is any indication, he just made those filmmakers very wealthy.

    This is powerful stuff. Where have I heard this before?

    These are the beliefs held by the Mormon Church, and written about by Joseph Smith in the Book of Mormon.

    What Beck didn't mention in his show, and what caused me to speak out, was the fact that he presented this
    as if it were settled scientific fact.
    He also failed to mention that every single one of his experts, scholars and archaeologists were
    Mormon apologists.

    Rick Stout, the filmmaker that produced the DVD, screens his films at - wait for it - The LDS Film Festival.

    Beck also failed to mention that the 19th Century scientists he referenced with regard to the
    "Block Hebrew" writing found on this continent have been thoroughly debunked, and not one single
    scientific body accepts their thesis.
    Not only that, but there is not one shred of evidence that there were
    "cities as large as Los Angeles, Boston or London" on this continent in pre-historic times as Beck claims.

    So what? Why does it matter if he teaches this, or Christians buy into this?

    Here's why.

    The entire Mormon belief system is built on the idea that one of the twelve tribes of Israel came
    to North America in the years before Christ.
    They settled here, and developed these "advanced civilizations".
    Because of this, Christ, when He finished his work with the Apostles, actually came to America to share
    the "gospel" with this lost tribe.
    This visit, along with the "true gospel," was recorded on golden tablets, which laid buried until the angel
    Moroni told Joseph Smith where to find them.
    The reason for the angel's revelation? Christianity had become apostate, and all of their creeds were corrupt,
    and all of their followers were deceived.
    Therefore, it fell to Smith not to "reform" the Christian church, but to "restore" it.

    So are Mormons Christian, or not?

    Well, they claim to be. In fact, Beck claims to be. But let's compare what they believe with orthodox
    Christianity on three key issues.

    On God:

    The orthodox Christian view is that there is one God, Creator of all things, holy, infinitely perfect, and
    eternally existing in a loving unity of three equally divine Persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
    Having limitless knowledge and sovereign power, God has graciously purposed from eternity to redeem a
    people for Himself and to make all things new for His own glory.

    The Mormon view is that there is one god FOR THIS PLANET, and that this god is but one of many, many
    gods who are each overseeing their own planet.
    The Mormon god is not eternally self-existent, but is nothing more than a man, who through "eternal progression"
    achieved godhood and was rewarded with a planet of his own.
    The Mormons believe that they may one day become gods themselves, get their own planet, and spend
    eternity having endless celestial sex with their many wives for the purpose of populating their planet with
    future gods.
    The fifth president of the LDS church, Lorenzo Snow famously said,
    "As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become."

    On Jesus:

    The orthodox Christian view is that Jesus Christ is God incarnate, fully God and fully man, one Person
    in two natures.
    Jesus, Israel's promised Messiah, was conceived through the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.
    He lived a sinless life, was crucified under Pontius Pilate, arose bodily from the dead, ascended into heaven
    and sits at the right hand of God the Father as our High Priest and Advocate.

    The Mormon view is that Jesus is not eternally self existent, but that he is the first of the children of the Mormon god.
    They also believe that Satan was the second of this god's children, making Jesus and Lucifer spirit brothers.
    In Mormon theology, Jesus was created, and is not in fact, divine.

    The Bible:

    The orthodox Christian view is that God has spoken in the Scriptures, both Old and New Testaments,
    through the words of human authors.
    As the verbally inspired Word of God, the Bible is without error in the original writings, the complete
    revelation of His will for salvation, and the ultimate authority by which every realm of human knowledge
    and endeavor should be judged.
    Therefore, it is to be believed in all that it teaches, obeyed in all that it requires, and trusted in all that it promises.

    The Mormon view is that the Bible is the Word of God in so far as it is translated correctly.
    The Mormons also believe that the Bible is only ONE of the several ways that God has spoken to his people.
    Included with the Bible is the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.
    These four books are known to the LDS church as the "Standard Works".
    The Mormons also believe that God has spoken, and continues to speak today through his prophet.
    Where the pronouncements of the prophet contradict the writings in their scriptures, they hold to
    the teachings of the prophet.

    It is clear from looking at just these three issues that Mormonism and Christianity are incompatible.
    If you don't believe in the God of the Bible, you don't believe in God at all.
    If you get Jesus wrong, you miss the Gospel completely.
    Mormonism is particularly insidious because it SOUNDS so much like Christianity.
    Remember, we may use the same words, but we are using different dictionaries.

    This is why Glenn Beck's stealth Mormon apologetics are so dangerous.
    No doubt thousands of Christians will order that DVD. Many will believe what they say, and will do so
    without realizing that not only is it scientifically inaccurate, but it is laying the groundwork for a false Gospel.

    Beck is using his show to break the ice for Mormon theology, and
    promoting a worldview that supports the beliefs of his church.

    His hour long infomercial for Mormon history only makes it easier for those well groomed young men
    on bicycles to strike up a conversation, and lead folks astray.

    We must all be praying for Mr. Beck.
    We must pray that God would open his eyes to the truth, and change his heart so
    he might see the glorious Gospel of Grace.

    Beck wields enormous influence in the conservative Christian community, therefore,
    it is important that we are aware of the origins of the things he is teaching as "fact".


    On this same show, Beck spent five minutes talking about how Satan is a deceiver, and
    how he uses subtle lies to subvert the truth and lead people astray.
    Irony.

    As Christians, we must constantly be on guard against anything which may seek to corrupt our faith.
    This includes charming conservative talk show hosts, even if they are on Fox News.
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Re: Glenn Beck's Mormon Infomercial

Postby Remnant » 02 Jan 2011, 17:01

Pan, Thanks for sharing this!

Beck is using his show to break the ice for Mormon theology, and
promoting a worldview that supports the beliefs of his church.


I have said this before and some people scoffed at it.

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Re: Glenn Beck's Mormon Infomercial

Postby AHeartofJoye » 02 Jan 2011, 20:57

Glenn Beck is a Mormon - so does that make him a "False Prophet?"
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Re: Glenn Beck's Mormon Infomercial

Postby Remnant » 02 Jan 2011, 21:04

AHeartofJoye wrote:Glenn Beck is a Mormon - so does that make him a "False Prophet?"


Yes!

Question: "How can I recognize a false teacher / false prophet?"

Answer: Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 24:23-27; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18). The best way to guard yourself against falsehood and false teachers is to know the truth. To spot a counterfeit, study the real thing. Any believer who “correctly handles the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15) and who makes a careful study of the Bible can identify false doctrine. For example, a believer who has read the activities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16-17 will immediately question any doctrine that denies the Trinity. Therefore, step one is to study the Bible and judge all teaching by what the Scripture says.

Jesus said “a tree is recognized by its fruit” (Matthew 12:33). When looking for “fruit,” here are three specific tests to apply to any teacher to determine the accuracy of his or her teaching:

1) What does this teacher say about Jesus? In Matthew 16:15-16, Jesus asks, “Who do you say I am?” Peter answers, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,” and for this answer Peter is called “blessed.” In 2 John 9, we read, “Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.” In other words, Jesus Christ and His work of redemption is of utmost importance; beware of anyone who denies that Jesus is equal with God, who downplays Jesus’ sacrificial death, or who rejects Jesus’ humanity. First John 2:22 says, “Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.”

2) Does this teacher preach the gospel? The gospel is defined as the good news concerning Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection, according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). As nice as they sound, the statements “God loves you,” “God wants us to feed the hungry,” and “God wants you to be wealthy” are not the complete message of the gospel. As Paul warns in Galatians 1:7, “Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.” No one, not even a great preacher, has the right to change the message that God gave us. “If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (Galatians 1:9).

3) Does this teacher exhibit character qualities that glorify the Lord? Speaking of false teachers, Jude 11 says, “They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.” In other words, a false teacher can be known by his pride (Cain’s rejection of God’s plan), greed (Balaam’s prophesying for money), and rebellion (Korah’s promotion of himself over Moses). Jesus said to beware of such people and that we would know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:15-20).

For further study, review those books of the Bible that were written specifically to combat false teaching within the church: Galatians, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, and Jude. It is often difficult to spot a false teacher/false prophet. Satan masquerades as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), and his ministers masquerade as servants of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:15). Only by being thoroughly familiar with the truth will we be able to recognize a counterfeit.


http://www.gotquestions.org/false-teachers.html
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Re: Glenn Beck's Mormon Infomercial

Postby PandoraBVV » 02 Jan 2011, 21:24

Remnant wrote:Pan, Thanks for sharing this!

Beck is using his show to break the ice for Mormon theology, and
promoting a worldview that supports the beliefs of his church.


I have said this before and some people scoffed at it.

glenn-beck-and-mormon-doctrine-t6285.html



You are Very Welcome Frank.

I don't watch much TV so I did not watch "Glenn Beck's Divine Destiny" which at the last moment he renamed “America’s Divine Destiny”
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articl ... 198/44012/
at
the Kennedy Center or the 8/28 rally.
Later I had to watch them and Beck's speeches on video online.
It made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up listening to this Mormon deceiving so many
people by the use of Christian buzzwords that have an entirely different meaning when a Mormon uses them!

I was shocked to see the number of well known Evangelical Christians up there behind him on the stages,
lending their complete support to this charlatan and his false gospel!

They should be the Christians who are exposing Beck's Mormon agenda, NOT helping him deceive their brothers and sisters and other Americans!!

http://www.alternet.org/story/148011/gl ... age=entire
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Re: Glenn Beck's Mormon Infomercial

Postby Remnant » 02 Jan 2011, 21:30

I was shocked to see the number of well known Evangelical Christians up there behind him on the stages,
lending their complete support to this charlatan and his false gospel!

They should be the Christians who are exposing Beck's Mormon agenda, NOT helping him deceive their brothers and sisters and other Americans!!


Amen! We had a discussion on here after this. Here are some of the topics.

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viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6158&hilit=Glenn%20Beck%20Rally
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