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by **Remnant** » 12 Jan 2009, 22:09

First Woman Minister Chosen for Inaugural Prayer Service
By The Associated Press
Mon, Jan. 12 2009 09:00 AM EST

WASHINGTON – The Rev. Sharon Watkins, pastor of a Protestant denomination with about 700,000 members in the United States and Canada, will deliver the sermon at the National Prayer Service that caps the inauguration activities of Barack Obama.

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Watkins will be the first woman to give the sermon at the traditional event, to be held Jan. 21 at the National Cathedral in Washington.

In a statement from the Presidential Inaugural Committee, Watkins called her selection an honor. "I hope that my message will call us to believe in something bigger than ourselves and remind us to reach out to all of our neighbors to build communities of possibility," she said.

Watkins is the president and general minister of Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in the United States and Canada, the first woman to hold that job.

The church says its work is "influenced by its founding ideals of our unity in Christ with openness and diversity in practice and belief."

The National Prayer Service will include prayers, readings and hymns delivered by religious leaders of a variety of faiths.

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by **Remnant** » 12 Jan 2009, 22:12

I put this under Apologetics for a reason!

Can anyone tell me why I might do that!

I find this very disturbing! Not so much that this is a women pastor, but read the article closely.

by **Carmela** » 13 Jan 2009, 15:56

The church says its work is "influenced by its founding ideals of our unity in Christ with openness and diversity in practice and belief."

Well, that says it all. This inauguration is nothing but a gathering of a bunch of pagans! Some more obvious than others, but pagan all the same.

by **Remnant** » 13 Jan 2009, 16:01

Carmela wrote:
The church says its work is "influenced by its founding ideals of our unity in Christ with openness and diversity in practice and belief."

Well, that says it all. This inauguration is nothing but a gathering of a bunch of pagans! Some more obvious than others, but pagan all the same.

Amen! She is head of what I consider a cultish church organization and very dangerous to the body of Christ.

Watkins is the president and general minister of Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in the United States and Canada, the first woman to hold that job.

They are so liberal in their views and accepts just about anything!

by **Carmela** » 13 Jan 2009, 16:14

That organization (I hate to call it a church) is exactly where the US is heading and we have no place in it. The rapture has to be just around the corner because God is getting ready to "blow". . .just like Yellowstone!!

by **Jeani** » 13 Jan 2009, 19:15

These churches are the 'Laodicea churches.'

They were pictured as utterly abhorrent to Christ because they were lukewarm.

They were 'lukewarm' in a permanent situation.

Their being lukewarm spiritually was evidenced by their being content with their material wealth and their being unaware of their spiritual poverty.

They were wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked.

The church at Ladicea is typical of most modern churches quite unconscious of its spiritual needs and content with beautiul buildings and all the material things money can buy.

Christ rebuked these churches because He loved them which love would also bring chastisement on these churches.

He told them to be earnest,and repent.

Being in fellowship with the Lord,and save is the most important thought; whereas, these church leaders are either lost or out of fellowship.

God never called 'women' to be pastors~

by **Ritsuka** » 18 Feb 2009, 03:03

I'm sorry,but can someone explain this to me? =/

I feel that people,including women,can be called to pastor others.there are people who quoted paul,and said that women should be silent,but I think that was to be taken in a different context?

The church says its work is "influenced by its founding ideals of our unity in Christ with openness and diversity in practice and belief."

I initially thought she meant the different practices of the differing denominations that can be found today.

by **Remnant** » 18 Feb 2009, 09:15

Ritsuka wrote:I'm sorry,but can someone explain this to me? =/

I feel that people,including women,can be called to pastor others.there are people who quoted paul,and said that women should be silent,but I think that was to be taken in a different context?

The church says its work is "influenced by its founding ideals of our unity in Christ with openness and diversity in practice and belief."

I initially thought she meant the different practices of the differing denominations that can be found today.

The biblical qualification for pastor is real clear according to 1 Timothy 3:1-7
1. This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;
3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous;
4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence
5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?);
6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Also in Titus 1:5-9

5. For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you—
6 if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination.
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money,
8 but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled,
9 holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.

The question I want to ask is was the Church wrong for all those years up until the early 1955 when the Prespyterian Church first oradained it's first women pastor?

All of a sudden, now for the last few decades the church has finnally got it right on the role of a women being pastor?

I don't think so!
http://www.christfirstforum.com/s-bapti ... %20pastors

The other thing is that scripture clearly says women can use their gifts such as preaching and teaching but the qualification for pastors are different. Romans 12:4-8

by **Ritsuka** » 19 Feb 2009, 20:33

but in anglican terms at least,the bishop and the pastor are different..
and if women can teach in sunday school,why not in front of the congregation?
are we not told to go forth and proclaim our faith? will not the Holy Spirit speak through women,but only men?

by **Remnant** » 19 Feb 2009, 21:43

Ritsuka wrote:but in anglican terms at least,the bishop and the pastor are different..
and if women can teach in Sunday school,why not in front of the congregation?
are we not told to go forth and proclaim our faith? will not the Holy Spirit speak through women,but only men?

According to the Greek bishop means

1) overseership, office, charge, the office of an elder

2) the overseer or presiding officers of a Christian church.

What do the Anglican Church teach is the difference between a pastor and a bishop?

Regardless, The ordination of women in modern history did not begin until after 1955. Why all of a sudden in the modern day church it is so widely accepted? God has set these things in order since Adam.

Yes the Holy Spirit will speak through women but they still have an order. To me the scripture is clear and it tells me that men and women are suppose to be allowed to preach or teach using their spiritual gifts in the church. Just like men are to be head over the household and women are not suppose to be a pastor according to the scriptures that I posted.

If you choose to accept women as pastors and that is what you believe it is not going to change the outcome of our relationship or position in Christ Jesus.

I would be glad to look at any scripture that shows otherwise and reconsider.

I am not always right and willing to learn. I have not arrived yet and God is still perfecting in me to be more like His son.

by **Carmela** » 20 Feb 2009, 07:21

Ritsuka wrote:but in anglican terms at least,the bishop and the pastor are different..
and if women can teach in sunday school,why not in front of the congregation?
are we not told to go forth and proclaim our faith? will not the Holy Spirit speak through women,but only men?

Being a woman is only part of this "pastor's" problems. She is not preaching a pure Gospel. She is part of the movement that wants to bring all religions together under an umbrella of commonality. This is unity at the expense of Biblical truth. From this, we have to separate ourselves!

by **Jeani** » 20 Feb 2009, 08:51

God never called a woman over a man in leadership.

Yes, we are equal,but that was God's order.

Did not God create Adam first then Eve as a 'helpmate.'

God only allow several women in the Bible to be a 'deaconess.'

Even the Bible talks about the angels in a 'male' gender,and the trinty is always refer to 'male' gender.

To me it's a 'sin' for a women to lead a church as a pastor because Satan wants to confuse/do opposite of what the Lord wrote in His Word.

In Ephesians, the scripture said for wives to 'submit' to your own husband.

Well, if you are a woman leading a church, who is this woman submitting to?

She's not submitting to her husband as a leader in the church while he sits in the sidelines~

For the husband is the 'head' of the wife, as also Christ is head of the 'church;' and He is the 'Savior' of the body.

Wife has to submit to the husband,and the husband submits to Christ.

The Bible clearly states he set this order up in His church: God, man, woman then children.

In fact, it's false teaching for a woman to be a pastor.

Now I do believe it's okay for a woman to be a 'teacher' not 'leader',and the man wants to sits under her teaching.

My husband and I have always 'co teach',but he was always the teacher/leader while I was his helpmate.

Very rarely did I teach when he wasn't there,and this was not Sunday School class, but a volunteer special class.

Man has more responsibility toward God than woman being the man is responsibile for the leadership, and his wife's with children's fellowship with the Lord.

It's when a woman steps out of the protection of her husband that Satan can attack!

I would even classify women pastors as being a false teacher and erroneous doctrine concerning Christ's person.

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