Did Jesus Say Anything About The Rapture
By Daymond Duck
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People have told me they don’t believe in the Rapture because Jesus never talked about it. But is that really true?
For one thing, it may be a stretch, but Paul talked about the Rapture and it is quite possible that he got his information from Jesus. When was on the road to Damascus Jesus appeared unto him and said, “rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee” (Acts 26:16). Jesus commissioned Paul to witness to what he had seen and what he would see in the future. Some might say Jesus didn’t reveal the Rapture to Paul in the future, but there is evidence that he did.
We find that in Paul’s words to the Thessalonians when he said, “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words” (I Thess 4:13-18). Notice that he said he was speaking “by the word of the Lord” (verse 15). He is saying this teaching on the Rapture is a direct revelation from Jesus. He made a similar claim about the gospel he preached (Gal. 1:11-12).
Then, there is that conversation that Jesus had with Martha when He raised Lazarus from the dead. Our Lord said, “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die” (Jn. 11:25-26)? Deceased believers (the dead in Christ) will live or be raised from the dead. And the living believers will never die (will be changed. And both will be caught up or Raptured in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye (I Thess. 4:17; I Cor. 15:51-52).
Those who think Jesus didn’t talk about the Rapture are on shaky ground. He proved that He can raise those who are dead and buried when He raised Lazarus (Jn. 11:42-43). And the fact that Enoch was translated without dying (Gen. 5:24; Heb. 11:5), and Elijah went up without dying (II Kings 2:11), and Paul was called up into the third heaven (II Cor. 2:2-4) proves that God can do that. In fact, “with God all things are possible” (Matt. 19:26).
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Did Jesus Say Anything About the Rapture
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Re: Did Jesus Say Anything About the Rapture
by Remnant » 03 May 2011, 08:29
I do not know much about Daymon Duck and I agree mostly with what he has said. Jesus did teach of the rapture, but what I want to look at is an erroneous teaching that does not line up with scripture.
I have address this before. We should consider all scripture concerning doctrinal truths and there are a couple of truths that i would like to share that can not be overlooked.
I have addressed this before and here is the URL post19189.html?hilit=Did%20Enoch%20die#p19189
First thing I would like for us to consider is when did Jesus prepare a place for the saints or children of God. Before the assention or after the assention?
Did Enoch and Elijah die?
The bible says that every man is appointed to die and then comes the judgement! If this is true then Enoch and Elijah at some point in their life had to die.
In John 3:13. Jesus Himself said that no man, except Himself, had ascended into heaven! If that is the case then where did Enough Go?
Enoch is included by Paul (in Hebrews 11) among the fathers who obtained a good report through faith; but "ALL these, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise" (Heb. 11:39). What promise? The "hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began (Titus 1:2).
So Enoch therefore is one of "ALL THESE" who have not yet obtained the promise of eternal life and inheritance. Enoch and all the worthies of old will receive the promise of eternal life at the return of Christ, the same time Christians obtain it (Heb. 11:40). That is yet future!
Since Enoch has not yet inherited eternal life he must be dead! This is exactly what Paul writes in Heb. 11:13! Paul says Enoch DIED! Notice it! "These ALL died in faith, not having received what was promised:’ Who were these "ALL"?
Paul tells us: Abel, ENOCH, Noah, and the patriarchs and their wives. Hebrews 11:1-12 lists those who had faith and Enoch is included among them. Then in verse 13 Paul proved that they had not inherited the promises by saying: "These ALL [including Enoch] died in faith?’
This just touches the tip of what I call doctrine and tradition of certain men that has been passed down without complete and through study of the subject matter. Or what can be referred as Biblical hermeneutics?
I could be wrong, but if I am then this scriptures and questions that I ask must be addressed.
There are certain things that need to be address to stop erroneous teachings before they get a foot hold. I am afraid this one has already gotten rooted.
A Final question that I would like to ask is this.
What is the wages of sin?
I Cor.15:20-23 - All die and all shall be resurrected, but Messiah must be first in the order. Enoch could not possibly precede him, especially if he were still flesh and blood as it says in verses 49-52. To be able to dwell in heaven we must be changed from a flesh and blood natural body to a spiritual heavenly body. That change does not take place until the last trumpet.
In conclusion, Jn.3:13 . Are we going to believe Jesus based on His own words or not?
I have address this before. We should consider all scripture concerning doctrinal truths and there are a couple of truths that i would like to share that can not be overlooked.
And the fact that Enoch was translated without dying (Gen. 5:24; Heb. 11:5), and Elijah went up without dying (II Kings 2:11), and Paul was called up into the third heaven (II Cor. 2:2-4) proves that God can do that. In fact, “with God all things are possible” (Matt. 19:26).
I have addressed this before and here is the URL post19189.html?hilit=Did%20Enoch%20die#p19189
First thing I would like for us to consider is when did Jesus prepare a place for the saints or children of God. Before the assention or after the assention?
Did Enoch and Elijah die?
The bible says that every man is appointed to die and then comes the judgement! If this is true then Enoch and Elijah at some point in their life had to die.
In John 3:13. Jesus Himself said that no man, except Himself, had ascended into heaven! If that is the case then where did Enough Go?
Enoch is included by Paul (in Hebrews 11) among the fathers who obtained a good report through faith; but "ALL these, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise" (Heb. 11:39). What promise? The "hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began (Titus 1:2).
So Enoch therefore is one of "ALL THESE" who have not yet obtained the promise of eternal life and inheritance. Enoch and all the worthies of old will receive the promise of eternal life at the return of Christ, the same time Christians obtain it (Heb. 11:40). That is yet future!
Since Enoch has not yet inherited eternal life he must be dead! This is exactly what Paul writes in Heb. 11:13! Paul says Enoch DIED! Notice it! "These ALL died in faith, not having received what was promised:’ Who were these "ALL"?
Paul tells us: Abel, ENOCH, Noah, and the patriarchs and their wives. Hebrews 11:1-12 lists those who had faith and Enoch is included among them. Then in verse 13 Paul proved that they had not inherited the promises by saying: "These ALL [including Enoch] died in faith?’
This just touches the tip of what I call doctrine and tradition of certain men that has been passed down without complete and through study of the subject matter. Or what can be referred as Biblical hermeneutics?
I could be wrong, but if I am then this scriptures and questions that I ask must be addressed.
There are certain things that need to be address to stop erroneous teachings before they get a foot hold. I am afraid this one has already gotten rooted.
A Final question that I would like to ask is this.
What is the wages of sin?
I Cor.15:20-23 - All die and all shall be resurrected, but Messiah must be first in the order. Enoch could not possibly precede him, especially if he were still flesh and blood as it says in verses 49-52. To be able to dwell in heaven we must be changed from a flesh and blood natural body to a spiritual heavenly body. That change does not take place until the last trumpet.
In conclusion, Jn.3:13 . Are we going to believe Jesus based on His own words or not?
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