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JWayne wrote:

In the Genesis story, we find the details of man's creation and the various other life forms necessary for the renovation of the earth. These events recount God's efforts to prepare Earth for man and nowhere does it speak about the simultaneous creation of the Angels. It stands to reason that the Angels were already on the scene long before this creation event. And if the Angels were already here, this could not have been the first creation event.

The above quote is from another forum. Frank? could you give your response to this. I have major issues with it myself.

Totally unscriptural and could support part of the Gap theory belief!

Here is a brief outline of the creation account from a true biblical perspective.

The Creation ( Chaps 1& 2)

"In the beginning God created ''... This to me is most important because it is the real beginning and if we can believe the frist verse of the Bible , then we can believe the whole book.

Other ancient religions , when speaking of creation , indicate that it came about out of something that was already there.
They see history as occuring in cycles. The Bible looks at history in a linear way, with a God- given goal.
God had a plan in creation , and He will carry it out.

"God"---- It neither explains the nature of God nor argues for the fact of His existence.

Elohim ( Hebrew name for God ) the name that links Him with creation . " El" which means " mighty , strong , prominent"

" Created"--- Hebrew word " Bara"--- activity that only God can do ,called
into existance with no prior existence.

" Spirit of God was hovering ( moved over the waters) . The presence of the Holy Spirit indicates expectancy of life, for from the beginning , the Holy Spirit has been the divine channel of life.

We begin with " the heavens and the earth" , but when God chooses to deal with the earth , not the heavens : the theme from then on is God's program on earth . Having chosen the earth, God now bypasses the angels ( fallen angels included) and elects to deal with man.


And God said " The divine Person speaking here is the Logos or Word of God -- Jesus , which was in the beginning with God , and was God ( John 1:1-3)

John 1

The Word Became Flesh

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

The entire Trinity , not just the Father , had a role in creation.
The Son is the powerful Word: the Holy Spirit ( ruah ) ' breath" took an active role in the work of creation.

First Day ---- light , separated the light from darkness --- light is called " day" , darkness called " night.

There was evening and morning- first day. The hebrew word for day is " yom"

24hr day ?

The evening , the first part of the night , or darkness , the space of twelve hours; and the morning , which was the first part of the day , ot light , also 12 hrs, and both together one natural day , consisting of twenty four hours . The jews begin their day from the preceding evening.

Hebrew word for " light " is 'or- refers to initial waves of light energy.

"God saw that the light was "good " --- appears 7 times

Second Day ---- Expanse, separate water from water ( atmosphere between the water on earth and the clouds above ) --- divided water into 2 forms: liquid and vapour( above) Expanse called " sky"

Only this day's work was not recogized by God as good , any significance ?

Some Jewish writers give the reason that it is because the angels fell on this day : others say because the work of the waters was not finished: it was begun on the second day , and perfected on the third. The phrase is twice used in the account of the Third day's work.





Hebrews 11

By Faith

1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. 2This is what the ancients were commended for.
3By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. 4By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was commended as a righteous man, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith he still speaks, even though he is dead.


Third Day
Seas and the continents were formed. Dry ground called “ land “ gathered waters “ seas”. On today’s earth surface is 70% water , 29% land.

The oceans contain 97% of our planet’s available water, the other 37% is found in the atmosphere.

Vegetation : seed bearing palnts , trees , bear fruit with seed in it , * according to their various kinds.

“ God saw that is was good “

Fourth Day

Lights ( Hebrew word “ ma’or “ lightbearers ) : separates the day for the night, serve as signs to :

1---- Mark the seasons
2--- Mark the day and years.

Astrology has twisted these intended purposes by proposing that the stars and planets guide people’s lives

2 great lights : the greater to govern the day, the lesser to govern the night. He also made the stars.

“And God saw that it was good’

Notice God did not call the greater light “sun , or the lesser “ moon”

Fifth Day

Fish and foul : “ great creatures of the living sea , every living and moving thing, winged birds, according to it’s kind”

Vs 21 – “ So God created “ . The word “ created “ – bara , is used for the first time since verse 1.
Remember what “ bara “ means ?

God created the fish and the birds ---- not evolution of species .

God Blessed them with a power to procreate their kind , and continue their species, as it is interpreted in the next sentence.

“ Be fruitful , and multiply , and fill the waters in the seas” and these creatures do multiply exceedingly, and vast quantities there are of them in the mighty water, though the consumption of some sorts of them is very great.

Sixth Day

Livestock , creatures the move along the ground , wild animals * according to their kinds ---- repeated 3 times

* Each living thing was to produce “ after it’s kind”; there is no suggestion of gradual evolution. We may breed different kinds of cattle , but we cannot breed a cow a reindeer.

“ And God saw that it was good “

Vs 27--- In our image , in our likeness, and let “ them” – man and woman were both created in the image and likeness of God.

I --- They possessed a moral likeness to God , for they were sinless and holy, possessing wisdom , a heart of love and the will to do right.

2---- They possessed a natural likeness to God . They were created personal beings with spirit, mind ,
emotions, self-consciousness and power of choice.

3---God gave human beings the image in which He was to appear visibly to them and the form that His Son would one day assume.

4--- However , to be made in His image does not mean that man is devine. They have been created on a lower order and are dependent on God ( Ps 8 : 5)

5---- All human life is derived from Adam and Eve ( Gen. 3 : 20 ), Rom. 5 :12 ) “ God Blessed them”

God gave man dominion or rule over the fish, the beasts, the birds.
He gives seed – bearing plants and fruit for good ---- vegetarian diet for both man and beast.

Verse 31 “ God saw all He had made , and it was very good.

Seventh Day

God rested from all His work.

God did not rest because He was weary, since God does not become weary ( Ps. 121 :4 ) Rather , He ceased from His creative works; the task was now finished .
“ God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it He rested form all work “

Ooh thanks, I will use this with homeschooling too!

Frank, TY so much for your response. I knew I could count on you.

I posed the question..."If we believe God and His word in Genesis 1, then how can we believe that creation was a renovation? to which the other poster became quite irate, and accused me of doubting his belief in God.

Was my question out of line?

JWayne wrote:Frank, TY so much for your response. I knew I could count on you.

I posed the question..."If we believe God and His word in Genesis 1, then how can we believe that creation was a renovation? to which the other poster became quite irate, and accused me of doubting his belief in God.

Was my question out of line?

No, You were not out of line and his response is typical of one who has an intelectial accent instead of a heart relationship with the Lord.

There is not a single person or thing alive or anything could ever change or make me feel like I was not a born again, Child of the king. I know I am saved and I know who saved me and nothing will or can ever change that.

If this person had that kind of assurance then he would not have gotten that upset.

Thank you Frank, your wisdom is well appreciated, and welcomed. God Bless you brother.