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This is nothing more then trying to sell a book.IMHO! I am not saying that this little boy did not have a dream or experience, but i do not believe he went to heaven. The scripture is real clear about that. Also his description of Jesus is not what revelation 19 describes as to the way Jesus looks. Neither does it describe Jesus and the way he looked while he was here on earth. I am always skeptical about these type of stories, especially when they do not line up with scriptural truths.

I would like to know more about these parents? The Father especially who wrote the book

I would like to know more about these parents?

That was my first thought Frank, what are the parents filling this child's mind with? This is how they grow up being Camp, or others like him.

Personally, I believe the Bible is very clear that once we enter heaven, we cannot return back to earth or when one enters hell, he cannot come back to earth...

I believe like Joye...

Either the parents are making money off their son,and they are under these 'false teachings' that are in our churches today..

God Bless...

I dont know what to make on this subject. I have read a book by BIll Wise who says he spent 23 mins in hell. I also bought the follow up 23 questions on hell. I sorta belive him. He and his wife are succesful real estate agenets. He isnt hurting for money. He was aproached to do the book and speak by his pastor. In it he explains all about his 23 mins in hell. It was pretty graphic. I dont know maybe he is a conman. To me he seems beliveable. I also have a book called 90 Minutes in Heaven. I havent read it yet. I am kinda swapped on my reading anyway. I cant even get into my bible lately. Pluse I told the Jehovias Withnesses I would read the book they left for me. I am still debating on that one. If these people for discussion purpose only , did have this happen it is ashame that they are making money off something like this. Especially at the expense of their children. So I guess I am on the fence on this one.

Here are my thoughts on this.

These two books were written by men who are very sincere in their heart of what they experienced, but most of what they say is not scriptural.

The Bible says when we are absent from the body we are immediately in the presence of the Lord.

Once an individual leaves this earth and is in the presence of the Lord, Why would they ever come back.
Some of the things that Brother John Piper described in heaven does not line up with scripture.

Now the fellow who went to hell could not have possible gone there because according to scripture their is a great gulf that no one can cross. Secondly, man does not get a second chance.

No doubt these men experienced these things, but was it a vision, a dream, or just something in the subconscious. I believe it to possible all three.

Here are a couple of links that you might concider looking at.

http://www.gotquestions.org/90-minutes-in-heaven.html

Here is a thread on this topic that was posted in the past.viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1114&hilit=23%20minutes%20in%20hell

Amen Frank....

Like I have said, I've been reading the book of John...

Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:13

NO ONE HAS ASCENDED TO HEAVEN but HE WHO CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, that is, the SON OF MAN who is IN HEAVEN...

I, personally, believe this scripture makes it very clear that NO ONE ASCENDS TO HEAVEN...

It's not judging which story is true or not true,but it's abiding by scripture...

If Jesus told Nicodemus NO ONE ASCENDS TO HEAVEN, then I BELIEVE it...

Vice verus...if no one ascends to heaven neither do they ascend to Hell...as Frank gave scriptures of proof..

It's plain WORKS BELIEFS trying to MISLEAD people from SPIRIT AND TRUTH,and it's rampant today...

In the LAST DAYS we are living in, scripture says there will be false teaching, false teachers, apostasy, and spiritism...

Scripture says to ALWAYS TEST THE SPIRITS....

Thank God we have FRANK who's our leader on this forum who knows God's Word...

Not to say Frank and I will never have disagreements...Ha!, but we can disagree with LOVE...

I encourage you to study...study...God's Word continuously...

To study the Word is to know Christ's mind....

God Bless...

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Well, you can add another book to the pile of stories found in Christian bookstores, and popular chain discount stores, about someone, a fool (2 Cor 12:6), making a “visit” to heaven or hell and living to tell us all about it, for a price of course. Radio program Haven Today is endorsing this story, even after receiving listener feedback/concerns which is addressed by host Charles Morris in part two of this series. He stands by this story offering it through their ministry for only $30.00 a copy. What a bargain!

The new spin on this particular foretelling is that it allegedly comes from a 4 year boy, Colton, whose father, Todd Burpo, pastors Crossroads Wesleyan Church, in Nebraska. Pastor Burpo asks his little toddler, or leads him in, many questions to understand and know what his son experienced while on the operating table to undergo an emergency appendectomy. With the help of professional writer, Lynne Vincent, Burpo puts the story behind the really adorable, cheerful cover of his son.

As always, the problems with these stories is that they undermine the sufficiency of Scripture while being contrary to Paul’s example of his visit to heaven, in 2 Cor 12:1-10. Paul’s humble account was written in third person in obedience to God; to not brag or “be credited with more” while remaining controlled in the Spirit to not boast. Paul stated that even if he did boast he would not be a fool, for it really happened. Paul said unknowingly of his experience “that he did not know if it was in the body or out of the body,” but that nonetheless, it assuredly happened. Further in the 2 Cor 12 passage, he was given a “thorn in the flesh” for further humbling purposes by the Lord, to keep him from “exalting” himself. The lesson from Paul’s thorn is that God’s grace is sufficient! We are to be content in our weaknesses and sufferings for Christ, which indicates that “Christ dwells in us.” For when we are weak then He is strong. Praise the Lord!

Not only was Paul’s overall humble description of his account to heaven true, and therefore “not foolish,” but also that his visit was “inexpressible.” Meaning that it was not for this apostle, who wrote 2/3 of the God- inspired New Testament, to be permitted to share it beyond restraint. It was not to be revealed with detail and pridefulness. Paul said to be “imitators of me,” in 1 Cor 4:16 and again in 1 Cor 11:1 because he, himself, is an imitator of Christ. May we carry out this command for Christ’s sake, in every area of our lives, by the grace and truth of God, for His glory.